Why Barta Signed Ferentz Long Term

[Fryowa]

Amen!

How Barta survived the Meyer/Grisbaum debacle is beyond me. Not to mention that most AD's wouldn't have survived the Licklitter hire.

Aside from all the athletic stuff that he’s really bad at, if my employer lost a trial because I didn’t document meetings or archive notes (Barta didn’t even take any), especially when dealing with an antagonistic employee like both Meyer and Greasebomb were, my office key code would be deleted before I left the courthouse.

That’s the part I don’t get. Maybe my employer is overly CYA, but meetings about performance or those dealing with promotion/demotion/termination don’t take place one on one, and there is documentation of what was said.

Every meeting I go to from our full staff Monday morning overview, to a minor decision-making huddle gets written down with who was there and what we talked about. It’s not done because I’m afraid of getting sued, but because I want to keep my shit in a group at work. It takes seconds and doesn’t bog me down; it’s just good business. If Barta had at least done that he might have saved the U’s insurance company millions and maybe reduced the public black eye.

 

[Adam]

Aside from all the athletic stuff that he’s really bad at, if my employer lost a trial because I didn’t document meetings or archive notes (Barta didn’t even take any), especially when dealing with an antagonistic employee like both Meyer and Greasebomb were, my office key code would be deleted before I left the courthouse.

That’s the part I don’t get. Maybe my employer is overly CYA, but meetings about performance or those dealing with promotion/demotion/termination don’t take place one on one, and there is documentation of what was said.

Every meeting I go to from our full staff Monday morning overview, to a minor decision-making huddle gets written down with who was there and what we talked about. It’s not done because I’m afraid of getting sued, but because I want to keep my shit in a group at work. It takes seconds and doesn’t bog me down; it’s just good business. If Barta had at least done that he might have saved the U’s insurance company millions and maybe reduced the public black eye.

Barta is an idiot. HR 101 is proper documentation. That said though his stupidity was probably aided by the fact that Universities run under terribly low oversight. They typically conduct business with relative impunity. I guess Barta is the lucky benefactor of the most forgiving employer this side of the Mississippi.

 

[tksirius]

Aside from all the athletic stuff that he’s really bad at, if my employer lost a trial because I didn’t document meetings or archive notes (Barta didn’t even take any), especially when dealing with an antagonistic employee like both Meyer and Greasebomb were, my office key code would be deleted before I left the courthouse.

That’s the part I don’t get. Maybe my employer is overly CYA, but meetings about performance or those dealing with promotion/demotion/termination don’t take place one on one, and there is documentation of what was said.

Every meeting I go to from our full staff Monday morning overview, to a minor decision-making huddle gets written down with who was there and what we talked about. It’s not done because I’m afraid of getting sued, but because I want to keep my shit in a group at work. It takes seconds and doesn’t bog me down; it’s just good business. If Barta had at least done that he might have saved the U’s insurance company millions and maybe reduced the public black eye.

Yeah but, the $$ came out of the athletic department's reserves, so we got nothing to worry about or so Gary told us...

http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...uits-very-confident-decisions-made/468093001/

 

[Fryowa]

Yeah but, the $$ came out of the athletic department's reserves, so we got nothing to worry about or so Gary told us...

http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...uits-very-confident-decisions-made/468093001/

Well paint me blue and call me a smurf. I didn’t know the U paid it directly.

 

[tksirius]

Well paint me blue and call me a smurf. I didn’t know the U paid it directly.

Yeah, aren't you happier knowing that?

 

[ChosenChildren]

What really gets me is the OP eliminates Kirk's first 2 years because it was "rebuilding" yet he doesn't factor that in when adding up other B1G teams' win totals as if no other B1G teams went thru "rebuilding" phases during that stint. Then he later claims that we have agendas for calling him out on his BS lol. Who's the one with the agenda, @ChosenChildren?

I have no agenda, other than I think he is a terrific coach and a great role model. I have never met the man.

What time period am I supposed to use? Pick any time period you want. He's averaged 7.5 wins over 19 years. Incredible consistency. All teams rebuild. Ferentz rebuilt Iowa after going 4-8 in 2012.

The whole point is that he has been a winning coach at Iowa and has competed well against the other powers of the Big Ten during his entire career at Iowa. He continued the consistency achieved under Hayden Fry. The facts speak for themselves. I don't think Iowa can do better.

Sirius, get serious.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

Ferentz started his successful run at Iowa in 2001 after two rebuilding years. In the last 17 years, Ferentz has won 139 games at Iowa. How have the other Big Ten powers done during the same time period (the last 17 years)? The results may surprise you:

1. Ohio State 173 wins
2. Wisconsin 150
3. IOWA 139
4. Penn St 139
5. Nebraska 139
6. Michigan 138
7. Sparty 133
8. NW 113***

***Based on data found at Winnsipedia Website

Bottom line, Ferentz has gone toe-to-toe with Penn State, Nebraska and Michigan during the 17 year stretch, and exceeded Michigan State and Northwestern. Only Ohio State and Wisconsin have exceeded Iowa. Please note that Michigan, Penn State and Nebraska are 3 of the top programs in all-time wins and national championships, but have been equaled or eclipsed by Ferentz during his 17 year run.

Ferentz has done a remarkable job at Iowa.

I believe KF's overall B10 record is approximately 86-68 through 2017.
That is a 56% winning percentage.
The average is approximately 4.5 B10 wins / 3.5 B10 losses per year.
Are these HoF numbers?.

 

[westender]

Barta is an idiot. HR 101 is proper documentation. That said though his stupidity was probably aided by the fact that Universities run under terribly low oversight. They typically conduct business with relative impunity. I guess Barta is the lucky benefactor of the most forgiving employer this side of the Mississippi.

If you think poor documentation of employee issues is not uncommon, see it all the time. everyone just wants to get by to the next day and get along, then something happens and everything was verbal.

 

[ChosenChildren]

I believe KF's overall B10 record is approximately 86-68 through 2017.
That is a 56% winning percentage.
The average is approximately 4.5 B10 wins / 3.5 B10 losses per year.
Are these HoF numbers?.

They are at Iowa. Fry won 96 games Big Ten games in 20 years at Iowa (4.8 wins per year) and is in the Hall of Fame.
I believe Ferentz will be in the Hall of Fame as well.

 

[tksirius]

I don't think Iowa can do better.

 

[Adam]

If you think poor documentation of employee issues is not uncommon, see it all the time. everyone just wants to get by to the next day and get along, then something happens and everything was verbal.

Yes and in all those cases was it not chalked up to incompetence?

 

[DDThompson]

I believe KF's overall B10 record is approximately 86-68 through 2017.
That is a 56% winning percentage.
The average is approximately 4.5 B10 wins / 3.5 B10 losses per year.
Are these HoF numbers?.

Do you think HOF membership is determined by average conference wins per season?

Or are you asking a rhetorical question uniquely designed for Ferentz.

 

[peerok]

I believe KF's overall B10 record is approximately 86-68 through 2017.
That is a 56% winning percentage.
The average is approximately 4.5 B10 wins / 3.5 B10 losses per year.
Are these HoF numbers?.

IMO, KF isn't a HOF coach, at least not yet. However, I'd put him in the HOF before a guy like Pete Carrol who had a much better winning %. Carrol got USC in trouble with the NCAA with Reggie Bush getting payments and other benefits. (Bush was probably the tip of the iceberg)

The point is, there are a lot of factors beside winning % that make a HOF coach. Doing things the right way is one of those things. In this day and age when the average coach lasts less than five years at a school, longevity should be a factor at some point as well.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

IMO, KF isn't a HOF coach, at least not yet. However, I'd put him in the HOF before a guy like Pete Carrol who had a much better winning %. Carrol got USC in trouble with the NCAA with Reggie Bush getting payments and other benefits. (Bush was probably the tip of the iceberg)

The point is, there are a lot of factors beside winning % that make a HOF coach. Doing things the right way is one of those things. In this day and age when the average coach lasts less than five years at a school, longevity should be a factor at some point as well.

Except that longevity is determined by your employer to a certain extent. The performance that gets you an "improvement plan" with some companies keeps you at others for 10 years. Nothing short of a serious NCAA scandal would put Kirk at risk.

 

[westender]

Yes and in all those cases was it not chalked up to incompetence?

Sure it is, but happens everywhere a lot. People just want to get along. They may verbally note bad things along the way, but then review time shazam they get okay to good reviews and a pat on the back. Can't we all get along. In Gary's case I guarantee you he was hoping she would get a job somewhere else and just move along and it would take care of itself.

 

[Adam]

Sure it is, but happens everywhere a lot. People just want to get along. They may verbally note bad things along the way, but then review time shazam they get okay to good reviews and a pat on the back. Can't we all get along. In Gary's case I guarantee you he was hoping she would get a job somewhere else and just move along and it would take care of itself.

Ya I definitely understand your point and I agree the workplace is filled with incompetent boobs who stumble through the managerial duties until careening into an embankment and exploding on impact. My point is more like this; That level of incompetence exists all over but it is not something you really expect from a position of Barta's lofty stature. It was disheartening to see his incompetence laid out to bare and even harder to imagine how he kept his job. I mean are good intentions somehow now an excuse for being a liability?

 

[westender]

Ya I definitely understand your point and I agree the workplace is filled with incompetent boobs who stumble through the managerial duties until careening into an embankment and exploding on impact. My point is more like this; That level of incompetence exists all over but it is not something you really expect from a position of Barta's lofty stature. It was disheartening to see his incompetence laid out to bare and even harder to imagine how he kept his job. I mean are good intentions somehow now an excuse for being a liability?

He's being judged overall by his boss. Lots of roles he plays. I guarantee you he expected her to leave on her own for a new spot elsewhere. How was he to know she would get rejected by everywhere she tried to go. Yes, he should have documented the performance issues and counseled her along the way and not compiled the everything is A Okay performance reviews. People are after Gary because of Kirk (kirk haters) or Fran now. If someone dislikes Kirk or believes Iowa should be 11-1 or 10-2 every year then they dislike Barta also and this kind of thing just piled on that.

 

[Adam]

He's being judged overall by his boss. Lots of roles he plays. I guarantee you he expected her to leave on her own for a new spot elsewhere. How was he to know she would get rejected by everywhere she tried to go. Yes, he should have documented the performance issues and counseled her along the way and not compiled the everything is A Okay performance reviews. People are after Gary because of Kirk (kirk haters) or Fran now. If someone dislikes Kirk or believes Iowa should be 11-1 or 10-2 every year then they dislike Barta also and this kind of thing just piled on that.

I promise that my lost faith in Gary Barta has nothing to do with Kirk or Fran situations. It has everything to do with his failure to manage properly and to allow the university to be liable for his own mismanagement. It is possible Gary fell on his sword to cover for someone else's poor decision on how to handle the situation, but those are not facts of the story we have been given so I fudge him based on the official story.

 

[westender]

I promise that my lost faith in Gary Barta has nothing to do with Kirk or Fran situations. It has everything to do with his failure to manage properly and to allow the university to be liable for his own mismanagement. It is possible Gary fell on his sword to cover for someone else's poor decision on how to handle the situation, but those are not facts of the story we have been given so I fudge him based on the official story.

Wasn't there a donation from someone of about the size of the settlement shortly after settled? Seems like there was.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

Iowa can do better but the odds of finding a coach who would accomplish that are long.