Who wants the ball at the end when it is close?

Foval21 said:
Name a game he has won by knocking down a shot or fts late (less than 1 min). He hasn't done it. He is great player. But he hasn't done it late in tight games. That is what Iowa has been needing since gatens graduated. Marble tried but couldn't get it done. I believe gesell has taken steps to become that guy. In a few yrs I could be proven wrong but marble the last 2 yrs has Proventil hat he isn't that guy. It isn't his fault he is who he is and he does a lot of good things. That just isn't one of them.
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Why is the criteria 1 minute to go? If he makes a play with 2 minutes to go, or 3 minutes to go (pass to JO for the 3), do they count?

So, here's an example. At Illinois this year. Score is 73-72 Iowa with 1:43 left. Marble steal, score, and FT. Now, Iowa up 76-72. 2 more FTs with 46 seconds left to make score 78-72.

Seriously, does everyone forget what happens earlier in the season? :)
 
woodyk1 said:
Sort of remember a dunk over Sampson of Minnesota that sealed that game. I could go on, but your memory (no hard dunks, remember that one?) is not that good.
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Oh really cause we were down 55-59 with 1:40 left when that dunk occured.
 
WaterboyHawkeye said:
He's made a couple clutch shots. He's also prolly only 5% on those. Many many many more times he has turned it over in the paint or thrown up a **** shot. Multiple times in one game he's done it. He had a great look against Msu and couldn't do it. He isn't clutch and tries to do too much in the situation. We've seen it all year. I liked to see MG and JO get the dagger today instead of trying to give it to Marble.
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He's the senior who will get the next try. He is the MVP (easily) of this team. 21 points, 5 assists, 4 steals and the reason we made the run at the end of the 1st half. The most clutch player? Maybe not. But to say he is 'worried about failure' is just silly.
 
WaterboyHawkeye said:
Oh really cause we were down 55-59 with 1:40 left when that dunk occured.
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Um, the dunk tied the game at 59 with 1:43 left. And it followed a 3 pointer by Marble to make the score 59-57. And that changed the game. See Illinois this year for example of his late play.
 
woodyk1 said:
Why is the criteria 1 minute to go? If he makes a play with 2 minutes to go, or 3 minutes to go (pass to JO for the 3), do they count?

So, here's an example. At Illinois this year. Score is 73-72 Iowa with 1:43 left. Marble steal, score, and FT. Now, Iowa up 76-72. 2 more FTs with 46 seconds left to make score 78-72.

Seriously, does everyone forget what happens earlier in the season? :)
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Completely agree with you here. These sweeping narratives that people want to make off of a one game sample size are one of the most annoying things about message boards. Marble was HUGE down the stretch in road wins over Illinois and OSU.

As for your above example, you left out that MG missed the front end of a one and one with Iowa up 73-70 and then missed a 3 the following possession before Marble picked him up.

MG is terrific, I can't wait to see what kind of players he turns into the next two years but saying he "has ice in his veins" after making a couple free throws is just setting yourself up for future disappointment. Plus if Marble doesn't go for 21/5 asts/4 stls today, Gesell isn't even in position to knock down those free throws at the end. Both Marble and MG are tremendously important to our success going forward this year.
 
MG also missed two free throws in the final 90 seconds in the MSU game either of which would have given us the lead. He's a great player but let's stop with the false narrative that he's some sort of "ice in his veins" closer all of a sudden.
 
I don't have a problem with Mike G with the ball or Marble.

Marble is a little more confident then Mike... mike his a better ball handler.
 
WaterboyHawkeye said:
Plz tell me when Marble has made a game tying shot or game winning shot in a big situation... pretty much safe to say its never happened.
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Jan 19, 2013 vs Wisconsin. Iowa was 9-10 from the line in the final minute. Marble was playing point and was 2-2. Passed to White 3 times, White was 5-6. The other 2 were made by Clemmons. Marble was playing iso down the stretch.

Feb 14, 2013 at Penn St. Iowa was 4-7 from the line in the final minute. Marble was 3-4. Basabe 1-2 and White 0-1. Again, Marble iso down the stretch.

While missing shots, he did get to the line. Of course, in your view you'd say "he missed the shot and that's all that matters". Of course it isn't. I know at Penn St, he was picking himself up off the floor to shoot the free throws. You know, you can't really make shots when you're getting pounded.
 
woodyk1 said:
Sort of remember a dunk over Sampson of Minnesota that sealed that game. I could go on, but your memory (no hard dunks, remember that one?) is not that good.
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It was at 0:57 in the game during his soph season. It was awesome! Of course, the Hawks only scored one point afterwards (a Marble free throw).

Never mind... wrong game....
 
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woodyk1 said:
Worked today for a JO 3. Also worked when he drove and finished over Hammonds. Does it work every time? Nope. Never has? Nope.
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The kick to Ogs wasn't a true ISO play. We set a ball screen for him and that looked like it was set up for him to have multiple options, a kick to JO being one of them.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
MG also missed two free throws in the final 90 seconds in the MSU game either of which would have given us the lead. He's a great player but let's stop with the false narrative that he's some sort of "ice in his veins" closer all of a sudden.
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^^^^
This
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
MG also missed two free throws in the final 90 seconds in the MSU game either of which would have given us the lead. He's a great player but let's stop with the false narrative that he's some sort of "ice in his veins" closer all of a sudden.
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True, but I'd be interested to see how his late game FT numbers stack up against his number from the rest of the game. He's struggled from the line all year, not just in tight situations. So it might not be that he's nervous at the line and that's why he's missed some big ones.
 
tm3308 said:
The kick to Ogs wasn't a true ISO play. We set a ball screen for him and that looked like it was set up for him to have multiple options, a kick to JO being one of them.
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True. But, ball in Marble's possession, set the screen and he is asked to create. He either goes to the hoop, pulls up, or passes. He made a great decision and passed for the open 3. Nice play.
 
tm3308 said:
True, but I'd be interested to see how his late game FT numbers stack up against his number from the rest of the game. He's struggled from the line all year, not just in tight situations. So it might not be that he's nervous at the line and that's why he's missed some big ones.
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It's probably not that different at all. But I don't think many people would describe someone who shoots 66% from the free throw line at the end of games as "having ice in his veins"
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
It's probably not that different at all. But I don't think many people would describe someone who shoots 66% from the free throw line at the end of games as "having ice in his veins"
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Michael Jordan missed a lot of big shots in his career, yet nobody would suggest that he didn't have ice in his veins. It's not about success or failure when you're talking about whether or not a guy has ice in his veins. It's about knowing failure is a possible outcome and not being afraid to take the chance, anyway. Gesell definitely has that fearlessness.

If Gesell's failures at the line are the product of simply not being a good FT shooter this year, that's not the same as choking.
 
woodyk1 said:
True. But, ball in Marble's possession, set the screen and he is asked to create. He either goes to the hoop, pulls up, or passes. He made a great decision and passed for the open 3. Nice play.
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It absolutely was a nice play, I agree. It just wasn't an ISO play designed for the sole purpose of letting Marble try and create for himself in situations where the defense fully expects him to take the big shot. It's when we run an actual play with more than one option that we have success in those situations, whether it's Marble or Gesell quarterbacking the play.
 
tm3308 said:
It absolutely was a nice play, I agree. It just wasn't an ISO play designed for the sole purpose of letting Marble try and create for himself in situations where the defense fully expects him to take the big shot. It's when we run an actual play with more than one option that we have success in those situations, whether it's Marble or Gesell quarterbacking the play.
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it's the same play... screen or no screen - sometimes he waves off the screen sometimes someone sets a high pick- basically whatever marble decides.
 
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