White really needs to work on his shot.

[wundergrape]

2011-2012 he averaged 11.1 ppg in 23.8 minutes. This year he's at 13.4 ppg in 27.7 minutes. My math says last year he was scoring .47 points per minute vs .48 points per minute this year. Less efficient? Seems about the same to me if not a hair better. Yes the kid needs to up his game, no doubt, but your "less efficiently" comment is simply wrong.

Here's the thing, BasketballMan.

a) You don't understand what "efficiency" means as is pertains to effective FG%, which is fine if you wish to remain ignorant, but is understandably annoying to those who are attempting to communicate with you.

b) You are using opinions to argue facts. First of all, no one in here is arguing that White is terrible or bad or whatever. They are using sound metrics to demonstrate that he is struggling and then speculating as to why that might be the case. You are using your opinions to state that he isn't even struggling. Your entire premise is flawed in this argument: Aaron White is clearly struggling to some degree. If you refute that, you should just lock yourself in a closet for an hour instead of posting here.

c) Perhaps taking the time to listen to the many intelligent people on this board would serve you better than casting aspersions at them. Learning is never a bad thing; especially when you don't seem to know very much.

 

[BasketballMan]

Here's the thing, BasketballMan.

a) You don't understand what "efficiency" means as is pertains to effective FG%, which is fine if you wish to remain ignorant, but is understandably annoying to those who are attempting to communicate with you.

b) You are using opinions to argue facts. First of all, no one in here is arguing that White is terrible or bad or whatever. They are using sound metrics to demonstrate that he is struggling and then speculating as to why that might be the case. You are using your opinions to state that he isn't even struggling. Your entire premise is flawed in this argument: Aaron White is clearly struggling to some degree. If you refute that, you should just lock yourself in a closet for an hour instead of posting here.

c) Perhaps taking the time to listen to the many intelligent people on this board would serve you better than casting aspersions at them. Learning is never a bad thing; especially when you don't seem to know very much.

Wundergrape. How about reading the bold / underlined sentence in my post from yesterday and then ask yourself if I've got blinders on and can't see that he's struggling as of late. Here's the post:

"2011-2012 he averaged 11.1 ppg in 23.8 minutes. This year he's at 13.4 ppg in 27.7 minutes. My math says last year he was scoring .47 points per minute vs .48 points per minute this year. Less efficient? Seems about the same to me if not a hair better. Yes the kid needs to up his game, no doubt, but your "less efficiently" comment is simply wrong."

Sorry that your definition of "efficient" and mine are a bit different my friend.

 

[wundergrape]

Wundergrape. How about reading the bold / underlined sentence in my post from yesterday and then ask yourself if I've got blinders on and can't see that he's struggling as of late. Here's the post:

"2011-2012 he averaged 11.1 ppg in 23.8 minutes. This year he's at 13.4 ppg in 27.7 minutes. My math says last year he was scoring .47 points per minute vs .48 points per minute this year. Less efficient? Seems about the same to me if not a hair better. Yes the kid needs to up his game, no doubt, but your "less efficiently" comment is simply wrong."

Sorry that your definition of "efficient" and mine are a bit different my friend.

That's well and good, except it's not my definition. It's the definition of the entire basketball statistical world. That's like saying "sorry that your definition of 'minutes per game' and mine are a bit different."

Here, read this. Scroll down about half way:

Big Ten Weekly Rankings , Week 14, and Conference Efficiency Report - The Crimson Quarry

 

[tm3308]

So, I guess we now revert to calling posters names? Class act mr sportswriter. LOL. Funny how you seemed to just gloss over the Zeller / Thomas / White stat comparisons.

I "glossed over" them because they're irrelevant to the point I'm making. White's hardly got bad point stats. It's how he gets them that matters in this discussion. He does most of his damage when we're either out and running, or when things break down for the defense and he can get a back-cut dunk or put-back. He does those things well, and I've never said otherwise.

But if the defense doesn't break down, he struggles to do much in the half-court game. And with Marble having been completely off his game for a month, teams could worry more about stopping White, which only served to make things worse, IMO. Between that and the change of positions, he saw a major drop in efficiency because we really haven't been able to get in transition for long stretches lately. We've been in a lot more of the grind-it-out games in which he typically doesn't do well.

And suggesting that FG% is irrelevant to determining efficiency is pretty stupid. I don't care if you think that's classy or not. It's stupid.

 

[hawks2187]

Ok so BasketBallMan by your definition, if 2 players both score 20 points but player A took 10 shots to get there while player B took 18 shots, they would both have the same efficiency? I bet that Grinnel player was efficient to you also even though he took 100+ shots to get the record...

 

[tm3308]

Ok so BasketBallMan by your definition, if 2 players both score 20 points but player A took 10 shots to get there while player B took 18 shots, they would both have the same efficiency? I bet that Grinnel player was efficient to you also even though he took 100+ shots to get the record...

Points per minute played, man. That's all that counts.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

White is still one of our best players - but he has struggled to score as much in the big ten season.

And its really simple - if he is going to play the 3 or the 4 (against bigger guys) he needs to be able to shoot to get them to come out and guard him.

Teams right now are just laying off him and he won't shoot - is having trouble scoring

I really don't understand.... if you have been watching the games all year its right in front of the face to see...

 

[Foval21]

Maybe bbm will understand a business model.

Business a - produces 8 objects per day and 4 of them are sellable. (50%)

Business b - produces 10 objects and 4 of them are sellable a day. (40%)

Which business is more efficient or has the better profit margin? (In this case everything is equal except how many must be made for them to get 4 sellable items).

Btw business a is lower than aw's shooting percentage last yr. Business b is higher than aw's shooting percentage over the last 7 games.

But both are producing the same per day (or in aw's case per minute) so they are the same efficiency (this is bbm's logic).