eveningnewsteam
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He struggles in the half court because he's playing out of position at the 3. Bottom line. BUT, for Iowa to start Woodbury and basabe, he has to play there.
White really needs to work on his shot.
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tm3308
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He struggles in the half court at the 4, too. He needs the transition game to be effective right now. Until he either further develops his jumper or uses it more, he's going to have a tough time creating in the half court.
BasketballMan
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sportstalent
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Wrong, he does struggle as he has no real post move and can't play through contact and forces bad shots. White is most effective in the open court and when he can find open space, he can't take guys off the dribble in the Big Ten as he did in non-conference.
wundergrape
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White struggles in the half court unless he is a) at the four and b) the defense breaks down; typically after a teammate penetrates or after a miss. Then he is very effective. If he's expected to come off screens or create his own shot, whether at the 3 or 4, he struggles.
tm3308
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This. He's not effective right now in a half court set. Only when things break down, giving him a backcut, or when someone misses. That's regardless of the position he's playing. If that's not there for him, he's all but invisible in the half court game.
BasketballMan
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Yep. Top 15 in the BIG in points and rebounds. Totally ineffective. Here's something straight from a press release on tomorrow's game:
• Aaron White is one of only three Big Ten players to average 13.4 points and 5.9 or more rebounds. The other two are Cody Zeller of Indiana and Deshaun Thomas of Ohio State.
And you are a supposed sports writer Tm? Really?
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1977Hawkeye
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Can't really disagree. White dunks alot, and gets to the foul line alot. But he's not someone that seems to be able to create his shot off the dribble or consistently hit the outside shot. If he could refine that area of his game, he would be unstoppable.
Watch the games and you realize that the numbers don't always tell the whole story. In the halfcourt he relies on others to get him dunks. He can't create his own shot. He does almost all his scoring by dunking and free throws. Now that he is playing the 3 he is being sagged off and forced to shoot from outside causing a decrease in shooting percentage. Eventhough he is still scoring similar pts he is doing it less efficiently.
No one is saying he is bad...we are saying he has a lot to get better at to make the next step. I feel like aw is the exact same player as last yr. He hasn't improved in any areas...yes his numbers are up but I would say that is more of the fact that we lost gatens.
BasketballMan
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2011-2012 he averaged 11.1 ppg in 23.8 minutes. This year he's at 13.4 ppg in 27.7 minutes. My math says last year he was scoring .47 points per minute vs .48 points per minute this year. Less efficient? Seems about the same to me if not a hair better. Yes the kid needs to up his game, no doubt, but your "less efficiently" comment is simply wrong.
He has been less efficient the last 7 games...where he has shot 39% from the field. Previously he had been shooting over 50% but I guess you didn't read tm's previous posts. I said he is the same player as last yr...the efficiency comment was about since he has been playing the 3. Efficiency isn't about min vs pts...it is about pts vs shots...if you hit a lower % shots you are less efficient than someone who hits a higher %. Basabe has been our most efficient scorer lately.
BasketballMan
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LOL. Oh really? With that comment I think it's time to turn the PC off for the nite. wow. But let me get this straight. Given your definition, a kid could play 39 minutes, go 1-1 from the field, and be called an extremely efficient player? LOL.
Aaron white is averaging more points in conference games than he did last yr...yet he is shooting at a lower percentage...less efficient.
His effective shooting percentage is also lower than last yr...less efficient.
Lower shooting percentage means less efficient. If you play the same amount of minutes per game each yr and score the same amount of pts each game but one year you have to take more shots to get that...then the yr you shot more shots would be less efficient.
You said yourself bbm that he scores the same amt of points per min...yet he is shooting at a lower fg% doesn't that mean he is being less efficient? If you say no than you don't understand efficiency.
His effective shooting percentage is also lower than last yr...less efficient.
Lower shooting percentage means less efficient. If you play the same amount of minutes per game each yr and score the same amount of pts each game but one year you have to take more shots to get that...then the yr you shot more shots would be less efficient.
You said yourself bbm that he scores the same amt of points per min...yet he is shooting at a lower fg% doesn't that mean he is being less efficient? If you say no than you don't understand efficiency.
Section136
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SIAP but White does work on his jumper, he locks himself in the practice facility overnight for gosh sakes.
trizo
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Lawyered.
WindsorHawk
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I don't know how the Hawks win any games. From reading the posts in several threads I now know Oglesby can't shoot; Olaseni can't play; White hasn't improved; Marble is a head case; Basabe needs to come off the bench; Gesell has to play both the 1 and 2; Clemmons will never be more than a 6th man; McCabe won't see the floor next year; Woodbury won't ever play in the NBA; Ingram is going to transfer; and May has finally turned into an adequate player. I don't know how we even get the ball up and down the court.
tm3308
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So Iowa plays exclusively in the half-court? He does the majority of his damage when the team gets the transition game going. When that doesn't happen, and the game becomes a half-court affair, he has to rely on others to get him dunks, get putbacks, or get to the line.
Scoring stats hardly tell the whole story, especially when you're critiquing my assessment of a specific area of his game. Just because he racks up buckets in transition doesn't mean the half-court isn't a weak spot for him.
tm3308
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Obviously, minutes/points is relevant. But that stat has hardly changed for White since last year, as you yourself illustrated. What HAS changed over the last 7 games is his FG%. He's dropped from 55% to 39%. That's less efficient. 8-15 from the floor is more efficient than 5/6-15. The lower percentage of shots you make, the more empty possessions you create.
Only a moron would argue otherwise.
BasketballMan
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So, I guess we now revert to calling posters names? Class act mr sportswriter. LOL. Funny how you seemed to just gloss over the Zeller / Thomas / White stat comparisons.
I find it funny how you can't reply to my earlier post and refute what I said.
Info you gave
1) aw frosh yr - .47 pts per min
2) aw soph yr - .48 pts per min
Info I gave
His fg and 3 pt percentage are lower this yr.
So if he is scoring pretty much the same amount of pts per min but is shooting a lower % wouldn't that mean he is taking more shots? If that is so then isn't he being less efficient with his shooting? If you say that shooting a lower percentage doesn't effect your efficiency than you don't understand efficiency.
Lbj had the most efficient stretch of scoring we have seen in the nba...he had a bunch of 30 pt games in a row (can't remember how many). But that wasn't the big deal more has happened in a row. The big deal was no one had done that many while shooting over 60% in each game. That is efficient.
If aw scores 13 pts on 40% shooting and basabe scores 10 pts on 66% shooting who was more efficient with their shots? Efficiency isn't aboutraw numbers.
