What are your expectations for the NW game?

[JHHawk]

This entire thread speaks volumes of how far we have slipped. Hoping players are hurt to give us an advantage over a team that has been the doormat of the conference for years....sad.

I agree that it is sad,but it is also reality. We are what our record says we are...and that is looking up at NW in bb this year.
To be fair, we used to trounce NW every year in fb also, and not so much lately so it does happen in sports.

At this point, I have no pride left, I just want to beat NW,even if it comes at the bad luck of the Cats....I am a hawkeye bb slut,I guess..

 

[loesshillshawk]

I agree that it is sad,but it is also reality. We are what our record says we are...and that is looking up at NW in bb this year.
To be fair, we used to trounce NW every year in fb also, and not so much lately so it does happen in sports.

At this point, I have no pride left, I just want to beat NW,even if it comes at the bad luck of the Cats....I am a hawkeye bb slut,I guess..

I feel your pain brother...I am an absolutle bball junkie. But we are what we are...and it just sickens me.

 

[HawkeyeBBall]

I'm looking forward to drinking at Tommy Nevin's before the game and then celebrating at Tommy Nevin's after the game. Because at Tommy Nevin's, "'There are no strangers here, only friends that have not met."

I do know that there will be a decent sized Iowa fan base at the game due to Cully playing in Chicago.

 

[JHHawk]

Not saying that Cully will not have fans there,but his family has migrated to Florida,right?
Iowa always has a good showing of local fans whenever they play NW in bb or fb.

 

[GhostofBTT]

So, how was everyone's aim?

 

[busabus114]

So, how was everyone's aim?

After 9 days of not playing i forgot how bad we are, i realized my prediction of a good showing was done as soon as we used 45 seconds of the 35 second shot clock on the 2nd possession

 

[IowaFanSince82]

I was close I said NW would be leading by 20 at half. I also said that Iowa would make a run to finish the game and i predicited 64-56. I was somewhat close!

I just can't believe we are that terrible! 19pts in 20min of basketball! Sad sad basketball

 

[tweeterhawk]

So, how was everyone's aim?

Sadly, right on:

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/basketball/5612-what-your-expectations-nw-game-3.html#post62045

 

[DDThompson]

So, how was everyone's aim?

John Shurna Aim: loesshillshawk called it 75-58

rest of wildcat aim: deputyhawk, tweeterhawk, hawkeye12345, iowafansince82


Iowa aim: you know who are

including me who said a 'hard-fought 4 pt loss' -- although I did mean to type 14 pt. loss so I think I earn a moral victory.

 

[tweeterhawk]

John Shurna Aim: loesshillshawk called it 75-58

rest of wildcat aim: deputyhawk, tweeterhawk, hawkeye12345, iowafansince82


Iowa aim: you know who are

including me who said a 'hard-fought 4 pt loss' -- although I did mean to type 14 pt. loss so I think I earn a moral victory.

Pretty good, loess. 17 points on the nose and just one off both sides.

Got any lottery picks you'd care to share?

 

[storminspank]

loess was right on a couple things going into this game.

1.) the score
2.) that Carmody would outcoach Lickliter this time.

 

[hawkeye12345]

I see NW believing the have the faintest of hopes of making the NCAA tourney. They realize that they play four of the worst basketball teams not only in conference but in the nation. They play teams with the following RPI; 188, 197, 213 and 347. Surprisingly Iowa is the best of the four teams (according to RPI) that NW will play in the remainder of their regular season schedule.

If they sweep those four games they will finish at 21-10 (9-9) and squarely on the bubble.

I see us playing hard for about 7 minutes and then the wheels simply fall off. We lose by double digits and the game isn't competitive outside of the first 7 minutes.

We were within 5 points at the end of the first seven minutes. We were down 11 just three minutes later. I thought we would be in the game for the first 7 minutes, I was wrong. We were in the game for the first :35.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

We were within 5 points at the end of the first seven minutes. We were down 11 just three minutes later. I thought we would be in the game for the first 7 minutes, I was wrong. We were in the game for the first :35.

If what you said was going to happen actually happened, how does that make you wrong?

 

[hawkeye12345]

I haven't been wrong since 2nd grade and the only reason i was wrong then is because i was right but I only thought i was wrong.

Bottom line is those of us who seem to be 'Lick doubters or haters' seem to have a better grasp of what to expect from this team than those of you that support the coach at any cost. Nobody on my side of the fence wants Lick to fail as a coach but the reality is; he doesn't seem to build relationships with players; our offense is absolutely brutal to watch; his eye for talent is questionable at best; the future doesn't look any better than the past; he is over his head.

I've kind of changed my stance a little bit on firing Lick at the end of the season and it has nothing to do with Lick. The practice facility is not going to be ready until the end of next basketball season. We give Lick one more year to prove to everyone that he isn't a good fit and save $500k while we are trying to buy time for completion. We then hire a big name coach and top shelf recruiter. This along with the new facilities should bring some enthusiasm back into the program. To those of you that think we can't hire a big name coach all I can say is money talks. Our football program is going to be on top of its game and banking some big time revenue and donations next year and possibly for years to come. We already pay top 30 salary in the country for basketball coach so why not bump this in to the top 10 (maybe an additional $1.5m per year or so for a $2.5m / year coach).

Facilities, big name coach and a fan base that has been in hybernation for 10 years all adds up to a top 25 team within 2 years of this transition.

 

[HawKCP]

Do you think Minnesota has gotten a good return on investment with Tubby Smith?

Just throwing a ton of money at the problem isn't going to solve anything. It takes time to build a successful program...Kirk Ferentz needed it...Steve Alford was right there when Iowa fans finally got their wish and ran him out of town.

Maybe Lickliter isn't the best coach for this program...but he certainly has not been given enough time for any of us to know. Either way...it would appear he isn't going to get another year to try and prove it...those of you who called for the previous coach...and are now calling for this coach...I doubt you'll be satisfied with the next coach within the first few years and you'll be ******** again...when in reality you are much more the problem than the solution.

 

[hawkeye12345]

Do you think Minnesota has gotten a good return on investment with Tubby Smith?

Just throwing a ton of money at the problem isn't going to solve anything. It takes time to build a successful program...Kirk Ferentz needed it...Steve Alford was right there when Iowa fans finally got their wish and ran him out of town.

Maybe Lickliter isn't the best coach for this program...but he certainly has not been given enough time for any of us to know. Either way...it would appear he isn't going to get another year to try and prove it...those of you who called for the previous coach...and are now calling for this coach...I doubt you'll be satisfied with the next coach within the first few years and you'll be ******** again...when in reality you are much more the problem than the solution.

What are you talking about? Minnesota in the 5 years prior to Tubby arriving won a total of 36% of their Big10 basketball games going 29-51 in conference. Minny made the NCAA one time in those 5 years and they lost in the opening round to Iowa State. Since Tubby has arrived they are 24-27 in conference play. I'd take that right now, wouldn't you?

In Tubby's three years at Minny they have finished 6th (8-10), 7th (9-9) and this year will finish between 6th and 8th place. They made the NIT in his first year and the NCAAs in his 2nd year. This year they will more than likely make the NIT again. That's 3 post season appearances in 3 years for the fat man.

So by using Tubby Smith to determine how long it takes to build a team that goes to the NCAAs, I would say two years should do it. We are now in year 3 with absolutely no hope of post season play this year and we would need one of the biggest turnarounds in basketball history to make it next year (not likely). That will be four years without a post season appearance, not just the NCAAs but ANY post season appearance.

Worst Team In History

 

[tubahawk]

Too long of a lay off without competition this time of year. We come out flat, Lick starts gettin pissy, guys start to question on the road. Iowa loses 75-58...Northwestern is not a bad team at all. They will be playing for some sort of post season bid.

This should shut up your critics for a while....

Next time you get bashed becasue your always being negative, just tell them "Scoreboard".

 

[storminspank]

What are you talking about? Minnesota in the 5 years prior to Tubby arriving won a total of 36% of their Big10 basketball games going 29-51 in conference. Minny made the NCAA one time in those 5 years and they lost in the opening round to Iowa State. Since Tubby has arrived they are 24-27 in conference play. I'd take that right now, wouldn't you?

In Tubby's three years at Minny they have finished 6th (8-10), 7th (9-9) and this year will finish between 6th and 8th place. They made the NIT in his first year and the NCAAs in his 2nd year. This year they will more than likely make the NIT again. That's 3 post season appearances in 3 years for the fat man.

So by using Tubby Smith to determine how long it takes to build a team that goes to the NCAAs, I would say two years should do it. We are now in year 3 with absolutely no hope of post season play this year and we would need one of the biggest turnarounds in basketball history to make it next year (not likely). That will be four years without a post season appearance, not just the NCAAs but ANY post season appearance.

Worst Team In History

True, but Tubby was regarded by some as a "Top Tier" coach. He certainly hasn't lit Minneapolis on fire by any stretch of the imagination. Tom Crean was another "hot coach", he's failed miserably over in Bloomington.

I'm not saying this to avert the attention from Iowa, just putting some example of new coaches in the Big Ten.

 

[ICHAWK]

True, but Tubby was regarded by some as a "Top Tier" coach. He certainly hasn't lit Minneapolis on fire by any stretch of the imagination. Tom Crean was another "hot coach", he's failed miserably over in Bloomington.

I'm not saying this to avert the attention from Iowa, just putting some example of new coaches in the Big Ten.

You can make this argument though when looking at Indiana, Minny, and Iowa.

Crean took over the program in the worst shape (NCAA sanctions, scholarships taken away)
Smith took over a program in the next worst shape. 1 NCAA appearance by previous coach.
Lickliter took over the program in the best shape.

I would say with Minny it's simply the fact Tubby is a darn good coach, but he isn't like Calipari in that any program he takes over suddenly has a #1 recruiting class. Tubby seems to be in good shape and Nolen being ineligible has really hurt them. I know the fans may feel a little underwhelmed compared to the hype surrounding the hire, but if Lick had doen what Tubby has he would be signed up for a lifetime contract.

Crean is in a really tough spot. He stepped into a horrible situation and I don't know how long it will take him to get out of it, but losing one of the top scoring freshmen in the country before the Big 10 season did not help his cause. He has some nice pieces but still has some guys playing that a few years from know you might laugh thinking about a player of that caliber playing on an Indiana team.

 

[HawKCP]

What are you talking about? Minnesota in the 5 years prior to Tubby arriving won a total of 36% of their Big10 basketball games going 29-51 in conference. Minny made the NCAA one time in those 5 years and they lost in the opening round to Iowa State. Since Tubby has arrived they are 24-27 in conference play. I'd take that right now, wouldn't you?

In Tubby's three years at Minny they have finished 6th (8-10), 7th (9-9) and this year will finish between 6th and 8th place. They made the NIT in his first year and the NCAAs in his 2nd year. This year they will more than likely make the NIT again. That's 3 post season appearances in 3 years for the fat man.

So by using Tubby Smith to determine how long it takes to build a team that goes to the NCAAs, I would say two years should do it. We are now in year 3 with absolutely no hope of post season play this year and we would need one of the biggest turnarounds in basketball history to make it next year (not likely). That will be four years without a post season appearance, not just the NCAAs but ANY post season appearance.

Worst Team In History

Every time I think you can't possibly get any dumber...you go and do something like this...and totally redeem yourself!

I thought that Minnesota hadn't gotten a great return on their $13,000,000 investment...but you made me look foolish by pointing out the fact that he almost has a .500 conference record since arriving on campus...and he came very close to finishing in the upper half of the conference once and will be very close again this year. I didn't check the scores...but I bet they've come very close to winning a post season game under his regime too.

And to think...they probably barely won a postseason game in 2006...and the year before that...well they probably barely got into the NCAA tournament.

Given the evidence you have presented...and the horrible state of the program before Tubby got there...I should think the man should get a raise. And I have completely changed my mind...we should throw a ton of cash at the biggest name available...who knows in three years we too could be on the cusp on another NIT bid...after all that's almost as good as the NCAA tournament - in fact it used to be better.

And let's get serious...if Iowa were to make the post season next year that wouldn't even be close to one of the biggest turnarounds in basketball history...Tubby Smith once took a team that had only been to the postseason 5 out of 7 seasons prior to his arrival and took them to the postseason 3 STRAIGHT YEARS!