We are brutally behind in BIG recruiting

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lightning1

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Illinois - has 3, 4* commits. 2 in the top 100.
OSU - has 4, 4* commits. 3 in the top 100.
MSU - has 3, 4* commits. 2 in the top 100.
Ind - has a 4* top 100 and a 3* that Iowa was recruiting.
Neb - has a 4* top 100 and 2, 3* commits
Minn - has 2, 4* commits. 1 is top 100. 2, 3* commits.
Wis - has 1, 4* top 100 commit and 2, 3* commits. One that Iowa was recruiting.
PSU - has 2, 4* commits, for cripes sakes.
Rutgers - has a 4* top 100 commit, 2, 3* commits.

At present, NW, PUR, MICH and Maryland are the ones we are fighting for the cellar of BIG recruiting. Mich currently has no commits, so I don't know how they will end up. Maryland just signed a loaded class in 14' with 4, 4* commits. 3 in the top 100. This is NOT an encouraging sign.
 
Last years collapse and the failure of Woodbury and Gessel to develop have set the program back probably two or three years.

Not sure Fran can last that much longer.
 
Illinois has been landing 4* recruits for as long as I can remember. In fact, they've landed 10 four* recruits in the past 4 years.
Illinois is 10-3 this season, NIT last year, 3rd round loss 2 years ago, no tourney 3 years ago, 3rd round loss 4 years ago.

Stars do not equal results.

fOSU is national powerhouse in sports
MSU is a national powerhouse in hoops
Indiana is Indiana
Let's just wait and see how Morrow turns out for Nebby and a 5'11" PG isn't exactly going to land on many teams even with a 4* ranking.
Minny - same thing, a 5'11" PG.
PSU doesn't have any 4* commits.
Rutgers getting Sanders was a head scratcher but with Mack leaving after this year the kid probably has a Woodbury contract.
 
One of Iowa's top 100 is average. One of Iowa's top 100 and top 150 are below average.

Conclusion: top 100 doesn't mean star.
 
RocknRollface said:
Last years collapse and the failure of Woodbury and Gessel to develop have set the program back probably two or three years.

Not sure Fran can last that much longer.
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Very astute observation about Woodbury and Gesell falling way short of expectations and setting the program back years because of it. I had honestly never looked at it in that that light. Good post.
 
Tiptontiger said:
Very astute observation about Woodbury and Gesell falling way short of expectations and setting the program back years because of it. I had honestly never looked at it in that that light. Good post.
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If they would have developed as expected and if we finish strong last year, we could be a legit top 15 program for years to come. Maybe they both fall on Fran, but maybe they don't. I can't give up on a coach that might have just been a couple bad breaks away.
 
Fran may be behind in the team recruiting rankings but I like what he has coming in so far with the 2015 class. I believe this is by far the most athletic class Fran has recruited.

Fleming is a shooter that has been producing at arguably the nations top high school basketball program at the Oak Hill Academy in VA. Moss is an athletic wing that plays at another top high school program in Simeon in IL. Wagner is a bit a of a tweener but I would consider him an active shorter athletic 4 that has a similar figure to Jarryd Cole but a bit slimmer. Lastly is the guy I consider to be the best prospect of all in Hutton, arguably the most athletically gifted player Fran has landed. He is considered one of the nations top defensive wings in the 2015 class. His offense is behind a bit but he has the potential to be a very good player on both sides of the ball by the time it's all said and done.

With one scholarship left, hopefully Fran can find an athletic big that can play the 4 and 5.
 
JG10Hawk said:
Fran may be behind in the team recruiting rankings but I like what he has coming in so far with the 2015 class. I believe this is by far the most athletic class Fran has recruited.

Fleming is a shooter that has been producing at arguably the nations top high school basketball program at the Oak Hill Academy in VA. Moss is an athletic wing that plays at another top high school program in Simeon in IL. Wagner is a bit a of a tweener but I would consider him an active shorter athletic 4 that has a similar figure to Jarryd Cole but a bit slimmer. Lastly is the guy I consider to be the best prospect of all in Hutton, arguably the most athletically gifted player Fran has landed. He is considered one of the nations top defensive wings in the 2015 class. His offense is behind a bit but he has the potential to be a very good player on both sides of the ball by the time it's all said and done.

With one scholarship left, hopefully Fran can find an athletic big that can play the 4 and 5.
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I wish someone was ambitious enough to start a thread that kept up with the recruits stats for each game. I have no idea how any of them are doing.
 
PCHawk said:
I wish someone was ambitious enough to start a thread that kept up with the recruits stats for each game. I have no idea how any of them are doing.
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This site needs a recruiting tool section, something that would be a real game-changer.
 
Duh! Ya think! Ever since Raveling left, except for a very few years, Iowa has been brutally behind in BIG recruiting.
 
JG10Hawk said:
Fran may be behind in the team recruiting rankings but I like what he has coming in so far with the 2015 class. I believe this is by far the most athletic class Fran has recruited.

Fleming is a shooter that has been producing at arguably the nations top high school basketball program at the Oak Hill Academy in VA. Moss is an athletic wing that plays at another top high school program in Simeon in IL. Wagner is a bit a of a tweener but I would consider him an active shorter athletic 4 that has a similar figure to Jarryd Cole but a bit slimmer. Lastly is the guy I consider to be the best prospect of all in Hutton, arguably the most athletically gifted player Fran has landed. He is considered one of the nations top defensive wings in the 2015 class. His offense is behind a bit but he has the potential to be a very good player on both sides of the ball by the time it's all said and done.

With one scholarship left, hopefully Fran can find an athletic big that can play the 4 and 5.
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Yet just to prove it this recruiting class is bottom of the BIG to, so what does that mean.. FRAN CAN"T RECRUIT AT ALL
 
Any recruit that does not want to play for Iowa is foolish. When I was in high school I would have snatched up the scholarship offered in no time! Now the facilities are even better when they were back then. Nothing beats the atmosphere at an Iowa basketball game!
 
Fran has gotten two 4* recruits in his first 5 years.. It's a start, but I'm not sure that's really enough to turn the proverbial corner..

Someone said that stars don't matter... I disagree. I would counter by asking what results the 2-3* recruits we've been typically getting the last 15 years or so have gotten us? One NCAA win since 1999, and none since 2001. Why are MORE 2-3* recruits going to change that? Sure, maybe Iowa can sneak into the Dance in the 8-10 seed range and win a game, but that's probably about the ceiling without better recruits.

The 2005-06 team that won 25 games - that team was starting three players that were 4* recruits: Brunner, Horner & Haluska. Too bad that team coughed up that first round game against NWST, but still, I'm not sure there's much debating that was the best Iowa team we've seen since Tom Davis was shown the door.

Iowa needs to be able to land more highly regarded recruits than it's been getting. There's a reason those players are ranked 2-3* rather than 4-5*.. There is bound to be some kind of hole in their game: Not athletic, undersized for the position, can't shoot, etc... Or any combination of those things. Some of those things can be fixed by coaching, some can't.
 
People saying "stars really dont matter," more old apologist bullsh*t..

On average, stars matter. The fact our recruiting class is at the bottom of the B1G and hawk fans are so optimistic about it is telling.

Yes, I'm glad we got into Chicago, but aside that, I see what the recruits have been appraised as, and I'm not hopeful.

I agree that there are "diamonds in the rough" out there. But you can't recruit 4 3* guys and expect them all to progress to be B1G caliber players.
 
maniac - I agree that stars do tend to matter in the long run. But, you should agree that Iowa is not going to recruit better, on average, than IU, MSU, Mich, Illinois or OSU. They will always get top 100 and top 50 guys.

So now let's look at who is after the top 50. Top 51-150 is not near the talent gap that the top 50 have over them (mainly top 25). It does matter where a player goes to, to how high they get ranked. Bigger the program, their ranking is more likely to rise. My point is, getting a guy ranked 90th versus a guy ranked 140th is not as big of a gap as it seems.

I like the 2015 class but agree that all 4 of them will probably not turn out to be studs. Moss seems to worry me a little as he's probably number 5 on his high school team in minutes played. But with that being said, his team is full of Top 100 guys.
 
lightning1 said:
Illinois - has 3, 4* commits. 2 in the top 100.
OSU - has 4, 4* commits. 3 in the top 100.
MSU - has 3, 4* commits. 2 in the top 100.
Ind - has a 4* top 100 and a 3* that Iowa was recruiting.
Neb - has a 4* top 100 and 2, 3* commits
Minn - has 2, 4* commits. 1 is top 100. 2, 3* commits.
Wis - has 1, 4* top 100 commit and 2, 3* commits. One that Iowa was recruiting.
PSU - has 2, 4* commits, for cripes sakes.
Rutgers - has a 4* top 100 commit, 2, 3* commits.

At present, NW, PUR, MICH and Maryland are the ones we are fighting for the cellar of BIG recruiting. Mich currently has no commits, so I don't know how they will end up. Maryland just signed a loaded class in 14' with 4, 4* commits. 3 in the top 100. This is NOT an encouraging sign.
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If the B1G has twenty-some 4* recruits then how many 4*s are there throughout the country, and how notable is it to be a 4* as compared to a 3* anyway? Don't think it's as notable to be a 4* in basketball as it is in football. And, anyway, didn't 247 upgrade Hutton to 4* status?
 
Tiptontiger said:
Very astute observation about Woodbury and Gesell falling way short of expectations and setting the program back years because of it. I had honestly never looked at it in that that light. Good post.
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You can't blame two players falling short of expectations for setting a program back. Some recruits are underrated, and others are overrated, but at the end of the day, it's Fran's responsibility to either over-recruit said players, or develop the current ones.

Fran had two highly rated recruits fall into his lap early on in his tenure. Since then there hasn't been a lot of good talent in the state of Iowa. It's his responsibility to find players that are better than Gesell and Woody if they're not cutting it.

Either way, blaming those two for not living up to billing is stupid. You're only 1-2 players away from being really good. It's Fran's job to find those guys and land them.
 
SnapBack2 said:
maniac - I agree that stars do tend to matter in the long run. But, you should agree that Iowa is not going to recruit better, on average, than IU, MSU, Mich, Illinois or OSU. They will always get top 100 and top 50 guys.
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See, I never buy this. I agree in the short run, but to just throw our hands up in the air and say "those schools are better than us" seems like giving up.
 
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