We are brutally behind in BIG recruiting

[SnapBack2]

Dean, we're mostly on the same page. I can't argue working officials effectively or years 4 and 5 (this year). But I don't think you need to make excuses in Fran's 1st-3rd years as it was steady improvement.

Where we differ, is I think he gets this year and next year before there is a coaching change. At the end of the day Fran gets the credit win or lose. But I still think he's had some bad breaks, and deserves time to get back on track. Next year's class will tell a lot.

 

[deanvogs]

Dean, we're mostly on the same page. I can't argue working officials effectively or years 4 and 5 (this year). But I don't think you need to make excuses in Fran's 1st-3rd years as it was steady improvement.

Where we differ, is I think he gets this year and next year before there is a coaching change. At the end of the day Fran gets the credit win or lose. But I still think he's had some bad breaks, and deserves time to get back on track. Next year's class will tell a lot.

So for me it is a double edge sword. Sure he improved the first 4 years, but in my mind he underachieved in 2 of those years.....That year 3 team was a NCAA quality team that couldn't win a big game, or get over the hump.....Last years team was a 4-6 seed quality team who completely folded to inferior competition down the stretch.

Like I keep saying, I hope I am wrong. I just see the writing on the wall, and I don't see any improvement/savior coming in next year to make this any better of a team.

 

[SnapBack2]

Stop making so many valid points

 

[PCHawk]

I didn't say the MSU game was a choke job....I said last season was a choke job, I said Iowa BLEW the MSU game, which they did. When you lead MSU like Iowa did, and then you let them go on a 22-2 run (which is actually the norm under Fran, going on long scoring draughts, and letting the opponent kill you during those scoring draughts)........that is BLOWING THE GAME. Which is what I said.

Tomato tomato. That doesn't translate too well over text does it?

 

[PCHawk]

I was as pizzed as anyone about the officiating in that game......yet that isn't the only reason MSU went on a 22-2 run. Lets face it, Fran doesn't get calls, cause he doesn't know how to work a ref. Having a melt down isn't working the refs. Bo, Izzo, Matta all know how to work the refs to the teams benefit......Fran, not so much.

I have given Fran the benefit of the doubt, and made excused for him for 4 years now. I'm personally done with that, but I see others are not. I think in year 5 the program and where it is at is on FRAN, he is the head man. This gives me no pleasure, I want Fran to succeed. I hope I am dead wrong on this, but I just don't see this happening at this point. I don't see this team as a NCAA team, and next year won't be any better. Like I said hopefully I'm wrong and we take it to OSU today, and end up making the NCAA.

On an unrelated note, I think "working the refs" is akin to flopping. They need to just crack down on both and punish people who try. It's ridiculous that the team that stands the better chance of winning is the one who has a coach who has a better knack of pursuading refs to call the game in their favor.

 

[PCHawk]

So for me it is a double edge sword. Sure he improved the first 4 years, but in my mind he underachieved in 2 of those years.....That year 3 team was a NCAA quality team that couldn't win a big game, or get over the hump.....Last years team was a 4-6 seed quality team who completely folded to inferior competition down the stretch.

Like I keep saying, I hope I am wrong. I just see the writing on the wall, and I don't see any improvement/savior coming in next year to make this any better of a team.

It's hard to say the year 3 team underachieved or overachieved because they kind of did both. They overachieved by getting to the point where they had a lot of winnable games against good teams, but they underachieved in a lot of close games and ended up losing them. I think they ended the season pretty much where they should have based on the talent they had. It just kinda didn't feel that way because they looked so much better than they should have in games only to lose them anyway.

 

[WindsorHawk]

Iowa finished alone in 6th place last year in the Big 10. Where was last year's senior class ranked coming out of high school. Hint...it was lower than 6th. It's not about how high they're ranked coming out of high school but what they do on the court in college...IMO.

 

[lightning1]

Iowa finished alone in 6th place last year in the Big 10. Where was last year's senior class ranked coming out of high school. Hint...it was lower than 6th. It's not about how high they're ranked coming out of high school but what they do on the court in college...IMO.

If you're happy with 6th place, I guess.

 

[WindsorHawk]

If you're happy with 6th place, I guess.

Are you obtuse? I'm saying the results exceeded the rankings/expectations coming out of high school.

 

[SpecialKHawk]

It's hard to say the year 3 team underachieved or overachieved because they kind of did both. They overachieved by getting to the point where they had a lot of winnable games against good teams, but they underachieved in a lot of close games and ended up losing them. I think they ended the season pretty much where they should have based on the talent they had. It just kinda didn't feel that way because they looked so much better than they should have in games only to lose them anyway.

I actually agree with this post as the truth probably lies in between. When you see this years team play you realize none of these guys are bonafide big time players. Not saying we do not have some good players because we do but each has holes in their game preventing them from being elite level players. Then you had one go to guy last year in Marble that is a borderline NBA guy. Great teams have more than this. In some respects we got a lot out of this group but by the same token the close loses and meltdown at the end left a feeling of what could have been.

What people forget is we had failures early that were similar to the end against Nova and ISU not but there was enough in between, especially the home win against Michigan to inflate expectations.

 

[PCHawk]

I actually agree with this post as the truth probably lies in between. When you see this years team play you realize none of these guys are bonafide big time players. Not saying we do not have some good players because we do but each has holes in their game preventing them from being elite level players. Then you had one go to guy last year in Marble that is a borderline NBA guy. Great teams have more than this. In some respects we got a lot out of this group but by the same token the close loses and meltdown at the end left a feeling of what could have been.

What people forget is we had failures early that were similar to the end against Nova and ISU not but there was enough in between, especially the home win against Michigan to inflate expectations.

Yep. Fran coached up a pretty good team to the point where they were a really good team. Therefore exceeding expectations. Then they fell apart to drop them below the newly set expectations, making it look like they underachieved.

 

[deanvogs]

Yep. Fran coached up a pretty good team to the point where they were a really good team. Therefore exceeding expectations. Then they fell apart to drop them below the newly set expectations, making it look like they underachieved.

We have a top 50 kid, a top 100 kid, and two top 125ish kids to go along with an All B1G player in White. There is zero reason to say that there isn't enough talent to be a NCAA team. That is why I was getting frustrated after the ISU and UNI debacles, the talent is there, now we need to meet expectations and make the NCAA.

 

[PCHawk]

We have a top 50 kid, a top 100 kid, and two top 125ish kids to go along with an All B1G player in White. There is zero reason to say that there isn't enough talent to be a NCAA team. That is why I was getting frustrated after the ISU and UNI debacles, the talent is there, now we need to meet expectations and make the NCAA.

My post was referring to the last 2 years. The talent based on stars probably puts us on the bubble or just in. After the OSU game, it looks like we hsve a prerry darn good chance at meeting those expectations. .

 

[lightning1]

Are you obtuse? I'm saying the results exceeded the rankings/expectations coming out of high school.

And it's not good enough. What is so hard to understand? Marble should have been a top 50 player but he was a "miss" by most recruiting services. I'd hate to think where we would have been without him the past 4 years.