WATN: Christian Ballard Advocates for Medical Marijuana

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This thread is gonna get WAY out of hand quick

Hopefully, despite being anonymously posting on a message board, you folks can have a mature, productive conversation. Am on counting on that? No. But I figured I'd give it a shot because I think it's an interesting story with a Hawkeye tie. But, that's up to you guys.
 
Hopefully, despite being anonymously posting on a message board, you folks can have a mature, productive conversation. Am on counting on that? No. But I figured I'd give it a shot because I think it's an interesting story with a Hawkeye tie. But, that's up to you guys.

Why would you expect this board to have a "mature, productive conversation" if not one has ever occurred here before?
 
Allow me to hold the door open while we run outside and take this topic off the rails.


Medical ? Fine.

Totally legal?

It is true, you don't hear about men coming home and beating up their kids and wife after smoking weed. And I have seen a lot of kids lives destroyed by smoking weed. Some say it is not addictive. People that I know who smoked weed recently and back in the day, say that it is.

Some people are prone to addiction. Others seem to be immune.

Some try to justify legal marijuana by comparing it to Alcohol. Sorry, not a good way to justify something. Alcohol, in the hands of some is a horrible drug.
 
The article blurs the lines between marijuana direct use and CBD. There is a big difference between the 2. CBD has had most of the THC removed. However, there is a problem with the consistency of those products. In some jurisdictions, get into a BI accident any trace and you are seriously screwed even if the THC has long worn off. Also some employment drug tests will measure the THC even from CBD. We have a way to go on testing and uniformity of laws.

Here is an interesting article: http://www.newser.com/story/235657/now-a-schedule-1-drug-cbd-hemp-oil.html
My take on the article is that it isn't just society to fight for legalization, but also big pharma has a vested interest. Kind of like fighting GMO and none organic. Everyone has a vested interest.

There are negative impacts to marijuana. There was a reason why alcohol was banned at one point.

In regard to NC, there are different levels of addiction to drugs or alcohol. Some of the worst addicts will deny vehemently that they are addicted.
 
Recreational marijuana worries me. If it ever becomes widespread we could end up with a nation where 64 million people vote for a career criminal to be President.:p
 
I think the perception of marijuana in Iowa and other parts of the country is a little skewed.

For example. In Seattle a successful adult (think software engineer, doctor, lawyer, marketing director, CEO etc) will get off of work and enjoy a bowl and/or beer like someone in the midwest would enjoy an after work beverage. When we have dinner parties, weddings, holiday get togethers, etc. most people here will smoke weed just as naturally as they drink their alcohol. These aren't just some weird adult hippies these are ex-athletes, directors at very large companies, well dressed and groomed human beings. There's no separation that weed is some crazy drug, but alcohol is perfectly normal. They are both perceived as normal things here.

In Iowa the perception is that marijuana is dangerous, destructive and makes you lazy so when people use it there I feel like they turn that stereotype into a reality. People who begin to use it aren't used to seeing people functioning and being productive on it and have movies like 'Half Baked', their parents, and the idea that since it's illegal it is bad perpetuating this stereotypical loser stoner ideal.

Saying that you can obviously overdo it.
 
Allow me to hold the door open while we run outside and take this topic off the rails.


Medical ? Fine.

Totally legal?

It is true, you don't hear about men coming home and beating up their kids and wife after smoking weed. And I have seen a lot of kids lives destroyed by smoking weed. Some say it is not addictive. People that I know who smoked weed recently and back in the day, say that it is.

Some people are prone to addiction. Others seem to be immune.

Some try to justify legal marijuana by comparing it to Alcohol. Sorry, not a good way to justify something. Alcohol, in the hands of some is a horrible drug.


You have seen a lot of kids' lives destroyed by smoking weed? That's hardly a quantifiable observation. You can't use the limited sample size you've personally observed to make an argument in the aggregate. I know plenty of successful people (and kids) who use marijuana regularly. That doesn't mean that everyone can regularly use marijuana and be successful. A sample size should be diverse and numerous to provide an accurate representation of all marijuana users.

It's also a logical jump that I don't understand to identity weed as the factor that caused kids' lives to be "destroyed." First, what do you mean by "destroyed?" That's a completely subjective metric. For example, does "destroyed" mean ending up in jail? Does "destroyed" mean dropping out of high school, college, etc? Does "destroyed" mean causing familial relationships to suffer because of the drug use? Does "destroyed" mean ending up in therapy?

I know someone who dropped out of college and smokes weed every single day and has very few friends. By your usage of the word "destroyed," his life is destroyed. But he's honestly happier than 99% of the people I know who graduated from college and are working 40-50hr/week jobs or went to graduate school or started a family. He works manual labor, loves it, and pays his bills. He's completely happy and content with his existence. Has his life really been destroyed by weed?


At the end of the day, the arguments that weed is some impending apocalyptic drug that "destroys lives" and is "addictive" and is a "gateway drug" are mere attempts by society to reframe this issue and distract from what it truly is: a misplaced and uninformed moral judgment. The truth is that society looks down upon the choices that adults make in their personal lives to use mind-altering substances. The truth is that our country spends billions of dollars policing and imprisoning people who want to smoke quietly in their basements and watch movies and eat food.
 
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These are very anecdotal and indeterminate arguments.

You have seen a lot of kids' lives destroyed by smoking weed? That's hardly a quantifiable observation. You can't use the limited sample size you've personally observed to make an argument in the aggregate. I know plenty of successful people (and kids) who use marijuana regularly. That doesn't mean that everyone can regularly use marijuana and be successful. A sample size should be diverse and numerous to provide an accurate representation of all marijuana users.

It's also a logical jump that I don't understand to identity weed as the factor that caused kids' lives to be "destroyed." First, what do you mean by "destroyed?" That's a completely subjective metric. For example, does "destroyed" mean ending up in jail? Does "destroyed" mean dropping out of high school, college, etc? Does "destroyed" mean causing familial relationships to suffer because of the drug use? Does "destroyed" mean ending up in therapy?

I know someone who dropped out of college and smokes weed every single day and has very few friends. By your usage of the word "destroyed," his life is destroyed. But he's honestly happier than 99% of the people I know who graduated from college and are working 40-50hr/week jobs or went to graduate school or started a family. He works manual labor, loves it, and pays his bills. He's completely happy and content with his existence. Has his life really been destroyed by weed?

There are two errors here. The first is that you can't use your personal subjective definition of the word "destroyed" to say that someone else's life is destroyed. Second, you can't definitively say that weed was the cause. Maybe the kids whose lives were "destroyed" had underlying conditions and weed use was merely the manifestation. Maybe the real cause was physical or emotional trauma, and weed was actually helping the kids. What I'm saying is that it's slightly judgmental and logically incorrect to look at someone who is struggling in life according to your definition and identity a drug as the cause of those problems with no evidence.

The same reasoning applies to your arguments about weed's addictiveness. The fact that some people told you that it is addictive is not hard evidence. Even if weed is addictive (and let's assume so for now), we don't categorically outlaw things from society that are addictive. People can get addicted to caffeine. People (like you mentioned) can get addicted to alcohol. Hell, I know people that are legitimately addicted to pizza. But "addictiveness" isn't a factor in the calculus of what should and shouldn't be illegal.

At the end of the day, the arguments that weed is some impending apocalyptic drug that "destroys lives" and is "addictive" and is a "gateway drug" are mere facades. The truth is that society looks down upon the choices that adults make in their personal lives to use mind-altering substances. The truth is that our country spends billions of dollars policing and imprisoning people who want to smoke quietly in their basements and watch movies and eat food. Trying to reframe this debate as anything other than a moral debate is reframing the issue.


Hey pin head, you are making a lot of infrances just to argue. I did not reach a conclusion. I simply made observations. If you don't like it, that is your problem. So your rambling is nothing more than intellectual masturbation.
 
Hopefully, despite being anonymously posting on a message board, you folks can have a mature, productive conversation. Am on counting on that? No. But I figured I'd give it a shot because I think it's an interesting story with a Hawkeye tie. But, that's up to you guys.

Made it about 17 posts...
 
Some people think pot is great.

Some people hate it.

None of those people will change his or her mind.

/thread.

Might as well lock it up 'cause it's circling the toilet bowl faster and closer every time around.
 
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