Watching the PTL games

PCHawk said:
I didn't see it so I don't know what happened. But a kid from Upper Iowa might be just as quick as a Big 10 point guard but suck at everything else and that's why he's at Upper Iowa. As far as stupid turnovers go, they are abundant in glorified pickup games.
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If you didn't see it, why are you arguing?
 
PCHawk said:
I didn't see it so I don't know what happened. But a kid from Upper Iowa might be just as quick as a Big 10 point guard but suck at everything else and that's why he's at Upper Iowa. As far as stupid turnovers go, they are abundant in glorified pickup games.
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And they'll be abundant in BIG conference games if CW is our PG. But I guess I'll have to single you out for constant reminders of that as the season goes forward.
 
I can post CWs assist to TO ratio after every game, to keep you guys updated on his progress if you like. I'd do that as a favor for you guys.
 
lightning1 said:
I can post CWs assist to TO ratio after every game, to keep you guys updated on his progress if you like. I'd do that as a favor for you guys.
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It is like you are rooting against him because some other posters are higher on his upside than you are?? Very odd indeed.
 
lightning1 said:
He had an entire year in the program! Are you seriously arguing CW vs Marble? You are willing to put it out there that you think CW will be the same quality of player that Marble was when both are SRs? I'm not putting those words in your mouth. I want to hear you say them.
I saw Devyn play in the PTL as a FR/SO and I saw CW play as a FR/now a SO. The skill set is not close IMO, based on what I have seen to date. So much so that I am willing to bet large amounts of money that CW won't make a 1st team or 2nd team all BIG squad at any time in his career, like Marble has.
If you want to take me up on that bet, take my money.
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While I will say I'm not as high on CW as some are, I'm certainly not as pessimistic about him as you are. It wouldn't shock me if he turned out to be a Marble lite kind of player. It would shock the heck out of me if he isn't a major cog for Fran for the next 3 years (so this is certainly higher than you are on him). Keep in mind that doesn't mean he has to post mind boggling numbers, as Gesell and Woody were major cogs for Fran for the last 3 years which were all NCAA tournament years for Iowa.
 
lightning1 said:
He had an entire year in the program! Are you seriously arguing CW vs Marble? You are willing to put it out there that you think CW will be the same quality of player that Marble was when both are SRs? I'm not putting those words in your mouth. I want to hear you say them.
I saw Devyn play in the PTL as a FR/SO and I saw CW play as a FR/now a SO. The skill set is not close IMO, based on what I have seen to date. So much so that I am willing to bet large amounts of money that CW won't make a 1st team or 2nd team all BIG squad at any time in his career, like Marble has.
If you want to take me up on that bet, take my money.
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I think it's the same likelihood as Marble had as a freshmen, which isn't likely. Just because it's not likely doesn't mean it won't happen. Marble is proof of that. When I watch freshman Marble and freshman Williams, I see the same player. Marble was on the extreme end of the spectrum as far as improvement over 4 years of college goes.
 
deanvogs said:
It is like you are rooting against him because some other posters are higher on his upside than you are?? Very odd indeed.
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It doesn't make much sense. I guess when you're rarely right you just want to be right for once so bad that it's worth rooting against your team's players. If you don't want to always be wrong, quit making extreme arguments all the time. If Williams ends up terrible, lightning wins. If Williams ends up awesome, I win. If Williams ends up average, I still win because all I'm saying is we will be fine with him at point. But I guess I didn't see a kid in PTL pick his pocket once.
 
PCHawk said:
I think it's the same likelihood as Marble had as a freshmen, which isn't likely. Just because it's not likely doesn't mean it won't happen. Marble is proof of that. When I watch freshman Marble and freshman Williams, I see the same player. Marble was on the extreme end of the spectrum as far as improvement over 4 years of college goes.
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I think Williams was a lot better than Marble as a freshman. He is going to be fun to watch this year, especially with all the talent around him. He won't be a turnover machine under Fran.
With this teams length and athleticism they are going to have a log more take aways than turnovers.
 
Marble would have taken a RS if he had Sr Gesell, Sr Clemmons, Jr Jok in front of him. He was young, and raw, and needed to gain strength. I think CW could have earned as many minutes as Marble did on that '10-'11 team.
 
Tierney said:
I think Williams was a lot better than Marble as a freshman. He is going to be fun to watch this year, especially with all the talent around him. He won't be a turnover machine under Fran.
With this teams length and athleticism they are going to have a log more take aways than turnovers.
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Sometimes I wonder if you're just trolling with comments like these
 
deanvogs said:
Marble would have taken a RS if he had Sr Gesell, Sr Clemmons, Jr Jok in front of him. He was young, and raw, and needed to gain strength. I think CW could have earned as many minutes as Marble did on that '10-'11 team.
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You forgot to add Fr Ellingson ahead of him too. I don't think that Marble would have redshirted. If that's the case it'd make sense for CW redshirt this last year.
 
Hawk5656 said:
You forgot to add Fr Ellingson ahead of him too. I don't think that Marble would have redshirted. If that's the case it'd make sense for CW redshirt this last year.
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Ellingson is a completely different roll than a Marble or CW. They were both PG/slashers, whereas Ellingson is supposedly a shooter.
 
Hawk5656 said:
If you think Fran would have redshirted Marble why didn't they redshirt CW?
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The fact Moss and Hutton were already RS. So maybe Marble basically fills the same roll as CW on last years team, with no RS, but much less playing time than the '10-'11 team afforded.

You have to realize that earning playing time on that team was much, much easier than last years team, right?
 
deanvogs said:
The fact Moss and Hutton were already RS. So maybe Marble basically fills the same roll as CW on last years team, with no RS, but much less playing time than the '10-'11 team afforded.

You have to realize that earning playing time on that team was much, much easier than last years team, right?
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Our guards weren't great last year. Gatens, Cartwright and May compared to Clemmons, Mike and Pete. Ellingson had no trouble getting minutes the first 2/3 of the season
 
Hawk5656 said:
Our guards weren't great last year. Gatens, Cartwright and May compared to Clemmons, Mike and Pete. Ellingson had no trouble getting minutes the first 2/3 of the season
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Who was the backup PG minutes going to in '10-'11? Marble was the only other option. If it was just Gesell at the PG with no Clemmons, then CW is the backup PG all year long. So the makeup of last years team was 2 PG with one playing SG, while the '10-'11 team was 1 PG with 1 SG and then 1 combo F/G playing the SG position.

Please tell me you understand the difference between last year's team and the '10-'11 team.
 
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