Was Ferentz asked about timing of 2 point Conversion?

PCHawk said:
But it doesn't increase odds to take the 98% before the 47% shot. You have to chase 15 points no matter what. People keep saying there wasnt time for 2 possessions but there were.
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Are you kidding me. Did you watch the first Iowa drive of the 4th qtr that went 50 yards but resulted in an INT (even thought there was a PI)? Iowa was taking all of the 40 second clock to get off plays. They went from about 14:30 on the clock to 8:30 on the clock, 6 MINUTES, to go 50 yards.

Do you think they could recover an onside kick and with under a minute go 50 yards and then recover another onside kick and go 20 yards to even have a try at a FG? Hardly
 
PCHawk said:
People seem to take the 2 point make after a second td for granted. They point out that missing the first one made it impossible to win but for some reason don't care that missing the second one would make it impossible to win too. They just wanted hope for a few more seconds of gametime I guess.
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yeah, PC, that's exactly the point. Hope for another chance with time on the clock. Instead we opted to play a 59 minute game. Is that smart??
 
1977Hawkeye said:
If you kick the pat and miss the 2 points on the second td, you still need another onside kick. You need a 2 point conversion either way, and not sure kicking the pat first increases your odds of winning. The Hawks needed 15 to tie so not sure it matters which order you do it in.. People are making too much of this IMO.

Even if you can convince me that this does matter, there are bigger reasons why Iowa lost this game.
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'77, there actually AREN'T bigger reasons Iowa lost this game. The sheer idiocy of going for 2 when they did identifies the illogic that plagues this staff and is an insight into why we have so many systemic problems.
 
uihawk82 said:
Are you kidding me. Did you watch the first Iowa drive of the 4th qtr that went 50 yards but resulted in an INT (even thought there was a PI)? Iowa was taking all of the 40 second clock to get off plays. They went from about 14:30 on the clock to 8:30 on the clock, 6 MINUTES, to go 50 yards.

Do you think they could recover an onside kick and with under a minute go 50 yards and then recover another onside kick and go 20 yards to even have a try at a FG? Hardly
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Hell no they couldn't do it. They couldn't do anything. That's why we were down 15 to Purdue with 1 minute left and had a less than 1% chance to win no matter what decision was made. But if they miss the second 2 point conversion, they still need to do everything you just said. They just wouldn't have had the benefit of knowing first.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
yeah, PC, that's exactly the point. Hope for another chance with time on the clock. Instead we opted to play a 59 minute game. Is that smart??
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My point is who cares if there is one minute left when you know your fate instead of 1 second. At least if you know your fate with 1 minute left, you have a chance to change your fate with a miracle. If you find out your fate with 1 second left, you are done for sure.

Our fate that game was missing a 2 point conversion. You can't change that fate by saying "I know we missed it that time but maybe we would have made it the next time had we just waited longer".
 
ArvadaHawk said:
'77, there actually AREN'T bigger reasons Iowa lost this game. The sheer idiocy of going for 2 when they did identifies the illogic that plagues this staff and is an insight into why we have so many systemic problems.
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When you're down 15 with 1 minute left, there is no such thing as an idiot decision.
 
We needed 15 points, so two scores including an extra point and a two point conversion. There is no difference mathematically at least between going for two on the 1st or 2nd TD. If you missed the 2 on the 2nd TD same result.
 
Caddy said:
Why in the hell would anyone worry about losing their press credentials? Big friggin loss. His pressers are absolutely worthless anyway.
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I haven't watched the Iowa Football show on Sunday nights since the 2015 season. Why listen to two drips spin fake positives and act like nothing is wrong with the program.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
'77, there actually AREN'T bigger reasons Iowa lost this game. The sheer idiocy of going for 2 when they did identifies the illogic that plagues this staff and is an insight into why we have so many systemic problems.
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lol...there are WAY bigger reasons Iowa lost that game yesterday.

This debate about going for 2 when down 15 is way beyond stupid.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
stunning, PC. just stunning.
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You know what I mean. A wrong decision might cost you a win in that situation 1 in 1000 times. The only reason to wait is to put more pressure on the other team. But the counter to that is if a defense is up 9, you have a lot better chance to score fast than if they were up 8 because they already "know they won". If you're going against a defense that is trying their asses off to stop you because they are only down 8, it is a lot harder to score. The odds are less likely to even get into the endzone.Then if you actually do get in,when you miss the 2 pt conversion, there is no time left for a miracle.
 
uihawk82 said:
Why, if you miss a low % 2 pt conversion you are up only 8 to 7. By going ahead 9-7 if you get the next TD then you are ahead 16-7 which is a 9 point lead. Cmon you have to try to think ahead. Try Being up two scores possibly is better. and dont chase the points.

besides as offensively challenged as our offense is I would think a 2 pt conversion would be a low % play.

I hated the play call for the 2 pt conversion , a fade route in that wind, especially when we rolled out several times in short goal line situations against OSU to get easy wide open TD passes.
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to quote Brett Bielema... that's what the chart says. Football 101. It wasn't the difference in the game, but it most certainly was the first of several strategic errors. (something we've seen more than we'd like to remember)

Game management is not Kirk's thing. He's a great practice coach and understands how to develop talent, perhaps as well as anybody in college football. But on the sideline...given equal squads...I think a number of people on this website could out coach him on game day.
 
ssckelley said:
You must have missed the first sentence of my reply: "there are WAY bigger reasons Iowa lost that game yesterday"
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ss, my point is that going for 2 when we did is a representation of what is wrong with this program. yes, there are many things that need to be fixed in the program. I am not assigning a priority list of items; I am saying that this event is an insight to the ills of our program; namely, a modern day incompetence.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
ss, my point is that going for 2 when we did is a representation of what is wrong with this program. yes, there are many things that need to be fixed in the program. I am not assigning a priority list of items; I am saying that this event is an insight to the ills of our program; namely, a modern day incompetence.
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So even using that angle, with all of the mishaps in that game and the season going for 2 points when down 9 points is the best you've got?
 
ssckelley said:
They were down 15, so they needed a 2 point conversion at some point anyway.

I would have rather asked why the took the ball after winning the coin toss.
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I had this argument with my 10 yr old son. If you kick the Pt, you at least give yourself a chance to with whatever time was left, albeit very slim. Going for 2 first and not making it has you lose that slim chance.

If the team were able to get an onside and miraculously score, maybe momentum and getting the D on their heals could be an advantage scoring the 2 pt conversion to tie. A team would be pretty pumped by then if that scenario played out.

By going for the 2 first and not making it, you give up any slim shot and pretty much give the game away with time left on the clock.
 
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