Vandenberg's 3-Step Drop frequency

JugadorHawk

JugadorHawk

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Anyone else notice how crisp, accurate and successful he was on these throws? Besides a few under-throws, which were attributed to the weather, Vandenberg is showing so far that his pre-snap reads and audibles should rarely result in a wasted/negative play. I think we should feel a lot better against teams that love to blitz us constantly.
 
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JugadorHawk said:
Anyone else notice how crisp, accurate and successful he was on these throws? Besides a few under-throws, which were attributed to the weather, Vandeberg is showing so far that his pre-snap reads and audibles should rarely result in a wasted/negative play. I think we should feel a lot better against teams that love to blitz us constantly.
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He is crisp, no doubt...but he made one presnap decision to go deep one on one on the outside and he had Brad Herman uncovered 10 yards past the LOS.
 


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JonDMiller said:
He is crisp, no doubt...but he made one presnap decision to go deep one on one on the outside and he had Brad Herman uncovered 10 yards past the LOS.
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I know exactly what play you're talking about and I screamed at the T.V. at that moment LOL. I'm sure he saw that on film and we will undoubtedly see that play in the future.
 


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If I am thinking of the right play, in all fairness, that would have been a TD if Vandenberg would have made a better throw. I feel extremely confident in both McNutt and KD to come down with the vast majority of jump balls in one on one coverage.
 


Yes, if I'm Iowa State...

JonDMiller said:
He is crisp, no doubt...but he made one presnap decision to go deep one on one on the outside and he had Brad Herman uncovered 10 yards past the LOS.
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I blitz the kitchen sink on every 3rd and long. In addition to the play you mentioned, the incomplete pass to Meyers (the fullback) Herman or another TE was running uncovered just a few yards behind Meyer. Have to make people play for leaving people uncovered.

I like the idea of throwing the fades/jump balls to Davis when he is 1-1, just need to get them out there more so Davis can go get it.

Overall, good performance by Vandenberg considering the weather. He'll need to keep improving, just like the rest of the team.
 


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herkyattack said:
If I am thinking of the right play, in all fairness, that would have been a TD if Vandenberg would have made a better throw. I feel extremely confident in both McNutt and KD to come down with the vast majority of jump balls in one on one coverage.
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Davis was blanket covered on that play, but yes the ball was thrown to the inside and flat. The wet ball was a problem...Vandy talked about how much heavier the footballs were due to the all of the rain. That makes a difference on muscle memory
 


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I noticed both bad reads by Vandenberg as well. That pass the to FB was particularly vexing, since not only was a guy wide open behind him, but the FB was doubled and behind the LOS and he didn't check down.
 


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MultipleDundieAwardWinner said:
I noticed both bad reads by Vandenberg as well. That pass the to FB was particularly vexing, since not only was a guy wide open behind him, but the FB was doubled and behind the LOS and he didn't check down.
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Two bad reads ain't bad for his first game in a heavy downpour. Plus there were A LOT of drops out there Saturday. Vandenberg will learn and progress.
 


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I'm a little more concerned about the missed holes that Coker seemingly couldn't see. I counted four times he missed major seams and just didn't appear to have vision. The o-line was engaging and he just didn't read the openings.
 


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WinOneThisCentury said:
I'm a little more concerned about the missed holes that Coker seemingly couldn't see. I counted four times he missed major seams and just didn't appear to have vision. The o-line was engaging and he just didn't read the openings.
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Right now I'm going to attribute Coker's troubles to one bad game. As a result of his play towards the end of last season and his bowl performance, expectations were high for him coming into Saturday. I'm sure no one had higher expectations for Marcus Coker than Marcus Coker.

I expect that the staff is working with him this week not only reviewing film, but more importantly getting him calmed down and working with him to let the game come to him. If he does that, he'll be fine.
 


I think Vandy made the decision pre-snap to go to the fade route because he had one on one coverage.

I was more impressed that he checked out of the play when he saw the blitz coming pre-snap.

He's learned well from Ricky.
 


It was a bit odd...

WinOneThisCentury said:
I'm a little more concerned about the missed holes that Coker seemingly couldn't see. I counted four times he missed major seams and just didn't appear to have vision. The o-line was engaging and he just didn't read the openings.
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and unusual because we didn't see it from Coker last year. Several plays where if he just takes the play where it's being blocked there's a huge hole. But he cuts back right into unblocked guys for a 3-4 yard gain instead of 10+. Just one of those days.
 


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JonDMiller said:
He is crisp, no doubt...but he made one presnap decision to go deep one on one on the outside and he had Brad Herman uncovered 10 yards past the LOS.
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I saw it too. The good thing about it is Im sure Vandenburg has already seen it on film as well.
 


He could have been going through he's reads, and the first read he thought was open. I see NFL players do the same thing. It could be more of a flaw in the system then Vandy's fault.
 


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JugadorHawk said:
Two bad reads ain't bad for his first game in a heavy downpour. Plus there were A LOT of drops out there Saturday. Vandenberg will learn and progress.
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IIRC, it wasn't raining during either of the plays I mentioned. I am not saying that he played a bad game by any stretch of the imagination, but he wasn't great either. You can't explain a couple of bad reads on the weather.
 




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MultipleDundieAwardWinner said:
IIRC, it wasn't raining during either of the plays I mentioned. I am not saying that he played a bad game by any stretch of the imagination, but he wasn't great either. You can't explain a couple of bad reads on the weather.
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I never said he was great and Tennessee Tech is hardly the barometer that I will judge him for future greatness. With that said, Vandenberg was 13/21 in a game that the conditions were not ideal and that multiple players dropped catch-able balls. If it wasn't raining during the aforementioned plays then fine; I did not say he played perfect at all. This thread was originally about his 3-Step drop, not about me making him out to be the greatest QB ever.
 


I tend to disagree on the bad read on the pass to Keenan in the end zone. He had man coverage on the outside and he saw this going through his progressions. He is taught to throw this ball to the outside and let Keenan make a play. Good read, bad pass. And yes herman was open, but he didnt get that far in his progression tree. Overall I was happy with how Vandy played. Couple of tough throws to Keenan that didnt work out, but I thought he was accurate and threw well considering the weather. The one thing I was concerned with was the high volume of drops.
 


CRHawk2002 said:
I tend to disagree on the bad read on the pass to Keenan in the end zone. He had man coverage on the outside and he saw this going through his progressions. He is taught to throw this ball to the outside and let Keenan make a play. Good read, bad pass. And yes herman was open, but he didnt get that far in his progression tree. Overall I was happy with how Vandy played. Couple of tough throws to Keenan that didnt work out, but I thought he was accurate and threw well considering the weather. The one thing I was concerned with was the high volume of drops.
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Exactly.
 




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