Urban Meyer knew about 2015 domestic violence

[hawkeyebob62]

While I lament the obliteration of the newspaper industry because I really enjoy their in-depth investigative reporting (still subscribe to the WSJ and they still do a great job with this) due to the rise of social media, I love the direct soapbox that social media has given people to levy significant charges that 20 years ago would not have seen the light of day. Of course, I hate hearing everyone's "scorching takedown" of Trump or whatever else passes as mainstream "news" now, but the upside of the direct storytelling is huge.

<<(B)ut the upside of the direct storytelling is huge>>

1) When it is truth
2) When it is objective

It's also "huge" when it is biased, untrue and malicious.

The problem? Too many people don't know, or understand, the difference.

 

[Ree4]

What ties that stuff together? Scapegoats. Nassar (MSU), Manafort, et. al. (government), Weinstein & Cosby (Hollywood), Cambridge Analytics (industry) get presented on the proverbial silver platter, thus allowing the real players to keep the money a-churnin'.

WTAF, you are seriously calling them Scapegoats?? Umm... pretty sure none of those you listed were innocent.

Definition of scapegoat
1 : a goat upon whose head are symbolically placed the sins of the people after which he is sent into the wilderness in the biblical ceremony for Yom Kippur
2 a : one that bears the blame for others
b : one that is the object of irrational hostility

Hopefully you meant something else.

Edit: I guess Urban could be if he was completely unaware of the whole situation and gets fired for it, but that doesn't seem likely based on the evidence provided at this point

 

[Adam]

If he was doing that to his wife, I wonder how he was with the players. Remember this guy?

Damn good coach. Left a lot to be desired as a person. Even though it hurt Iowa football I was happy when we let him go.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Where is Herbie at? Of all the media talking heads spouting off their 2 cents I've yet to see him? He lives in Nashville area I believe maybe I'll go knock on his door.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Damn good coach. Left a lot to be desired as a person. Even though it hurt Iowa football I was happy when we let him go.

Yeah he just didn't fit with the staff and shortly after he went to Neb it was easy to see why..

 

[Adam]

WTAF, you are seriously calling them Scapegoats?? Umm... pretty sure none of those you listed were innocent.

Definition of scapegoat
1 : a goat upon whose head are symbolically placed the sins of the people after which he is sent into the wilderness in the biblical ceremony for Yom Kippur
2 a : one that bears the blame for others
b : one that is the object of irrational hostility

Hopefully you meant something else

Ya scapegoat is universally used pretty loosely. I think he means in the sense that there are usually others that are complicit that go unpunished while the sacrificial lamb is offered up.

 

[Adam]

Where is Herbie at? Of all the media talking heads spouting off their 2 cents I've yet to see him? He lives in Nashville area I believe maybe I'll go knock on his door.

Leave him be. He should be afforded the traditional 7 days of mourning.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Leave him be. He should be afforded the traditional 7 days of mourning.

I can't remember if he's been an Urban apologist or if he's not been the biggest fan of his. I could see Herbie seeing right through him all these years too and just begrudgingly saying all the right things... Heck if I know I'm just all about other programs drama playing out publicly so we have stuff to talk about.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I'm sure a lot of you know the Dan Patrick Radio show. Well one of his Danettes Andrew Perloff tweeted this morning about rumors of Campbell being not only a canidate but the frontrunner for the OSU gig... So nationally it's more than out there if he's tweeting it...

 

[tksirius]

Yeah he just didn't fit with the staff and shortly after he went to Neb it was easy to see why..

From what I remember hearing is several of the D-Line players complained about him and that's why Kirk sent him away. Not sure why it took so much to send him packing since Kirk had to of seen and heard how Rick was treating them every day in practice.

 

[Adam]

I can't remember if he's been an Urban apologist or if he's not been the biggest fan of his. I could see Herbie seeing right through him all these years too and just begrudgingly saying all the right things... Heck if I know I'm just all about other programs drama playing out publicly so we have stuff to talk about.

Lol. I don't think that Herbie is the biggest Meyer fan. I think he is still feeling quite a bit of shame for his university again. Right meow he is probably asking god "why me Lord?" "why my team father?"

 

[Hawkfnntn]

From what I remember hearing is several of the D-Line players complained about him and that's why Kirk sent him away. Not sure why it took so much to send him packing since Kirk had to of seen and heard how Rick was treating them every day in practice.

Yes I do remember him not being player friendly too now that you say that. There's certainly a fine line to that type of coaching style and he seemed to have been crossing it

 

[Adam]

From what I remember hearing is several of the D-Line players complained about him and that's why Kirk sent him away. Not sure why it took so much to send him packing since Kirk had to of seen and heard how Rick was treating them every day in practice.

2 part explanation from what I have heard before.

Rick was not verbally abusive to players his whole career. It started in year 3 of coaching the Dline during the 2010 season. He was taking pressure from Kirk and Norm because his super talented line wasn't producing up to expectations.

Second part is it has been said that he did develop a strong bond with several of his players and was kept on until they were heading out the door.

Also Kirk technically didn't fire him. He supposedly told Kaz that he wouldn't fire him if Kaz found another gig. Which he did shortly afterwards.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

2 part explanation from what I have heard before.

Rick was not verbally abusive to players his whole career. It started in year 3 of coaching the Dline during the 2010 season. He was taking pressure from Kirk and Norm because his super talented line wasn't producing up to expectations.

Second part is it has been said that he did develop a strong bond with several of his players and was kept on until they were heading out the door.

Also Kirk technically didn't fire him. He supposedly told Kaz that he wouldn't fire him if Kaz found another gig. Which he did shortly afterwards.

That certainly sounds like the KF way of handling that... If what he was doing wasn't a huge public fiasco KF would rather not ruin the guys name by firing him and still let him go make a living.. But the guy went on and messed it up all on his own...
Prior to that and the Eno deal had KF had to fire any assistants? He seemed really reluctant to ever have to do that...

 

[CP87]

Damn good coach. Left a lot to be desired as a person. Even though it hurt Iowa football I was happy when we let him go.

Strongly disagree on the "good coach" part. He took over as coach in 2007 after one year as grad assistant. He inherited one of the most loaded DL cupboards Iowa has ever had.

In his first year, he had:
Mitch King (Jr)
Matt Kroul (Jr)
Brian Mattison (Sr)
Ken Iwebema (Sr)
Adrian Clayborn (RS Fr)
Karl Klug (RS Fr)
Christian Ballard (Fr)
Broderick Binns (Fr)
Mike Daniels (Fr)

He did not recruit any of these players. I suppose he should be given credit for the development of those Fr and RS Fr as many were not highly rated, but I get the feeling it was more look. If he was actually skilled in development, why did the 2011 DL look like this:

Binns, Daniels, Steve Bigach, Lebron Daniel, Thomas Nardo, and Joe Forgy.

That does not look like much development going on, combined with weak recruiting by a position coach and a high-level of attrition due to the fact he was a psycho:

https://www.hawkeyenation.com/football/addition-attrition-the-2012-iowa-roster

After Iowa told him to move on, this is what Reese Morgan was working with in 2012:

Dom Alvis, Melvin Spears, Shane DiBona, Darian Cooper, Carl Davis, Mike Hardy, Joe Gaglione, Steve Bigach, Louis Trinca-Pasat

LTP and Carl Davis eventually went on to be NFL players, but LTP told Ferentz he was going to quit after Thanksgiving during this last regular season with Coach Kaczenski:

https://www.thegazette.com/2012/10/11/what-doesnt-kill-you-can-make-you-a-two-gap-iowa-d-lineman

Davis had 2 seasons under Coach Kac, including his RS. He did not start to contribute until Morgan took over

Perhaps Coach Kaczenski knew technique, and perhaps his in-your-face style worked with some. But it is clear his track record is not that of a good coach.

 

[CP87]

From what I remember hearing is several of the D-Line players complained about him and that's why Kirk sent him away. Not sure why it took so much to send him packing since Kirk had to of seen and heard how Rick was treating them every day in practice.

I always thought this guy was going to be a freak until Kaczenski ran him off. Read about his background, and then think about what it would be like for him to be coached by that psycho:

https://www.nunesmagician.com/2015/7/13/8948967/syracuse-orange-man-john-raymon-defensive-line

 

[guffus]

That certainly sounds like the KF way of handling that... If what he was doing wasn't a huge public fiasco KF would rather not ruin the guys name by firing him and still let him go make a living.. But the guy went on and messed it up all on his own...
Prior to that and the Eno deal had KF had to fire any assistants? He seemed really reluctant to ever have to do that...

Maybe prior to 2010 KF did not fire many coaches, but he certainly cleaned house in 2012-2013, with Phil Parker and Morgan being the key survivors.

 

[Adam]

Strongly disagree on the "good coach" part. He took over as coach in 2007 after one year as grad assistant. He inherited one of the most loaded DL cupboards Iowa has ever had.

In his first year, he had:
Mitch King (Jr)
Matt Kroul (Jr)
Brian Mattison (Sr)
Ken Iwebema (Sr)
Adrian Clayborn (RS Fr)
Karl Klug (RS Fr)
Christian Ballard (Fr)
Broderick Binns (Fr)
Mike Daniels (Fr)

He did not recruit any of these players. I suppose he should be given credit for the development of those Fr and RS Fr as many were not highly rated, but I get the feeling it was more look. If he was actually skilled in development, why did the 2011 DL look like this:

Binns, Daniels, Steve Bigach, Lebron Daniel, Thomas Nardo, and Joe Forgy.

That does not look like much development going on, combined with weak recruiting by a position coach and a high-level of attrition due to the fact he was a psycho:

https://www.hawkeyenation.com/football/addition-attrition-the-2012-iowa-roster

After Iowa told him to move on, this is what Reese Morgan was working with in 2012:

Dom Alvis, Melvin Spears, Shane DiBona, Darian Cooper, Carl Davis, Mike Hardy, Joe Gaglione, Steve Bigach, Louis Trinca-Pasat

LTP and Carl Davis eventually went on to be NFL players, but LTP told Ferentz he was going to quit after Thanksgiving during this last regular season with Coach Kaczenski:

https://www.thegazette.com/2012/10/11/what-doesnt-kill-you-can-make-you-a-two-gap-iowa-d-lineman

Davis had 2 seasons under Coach Kac, including his RS. He did not start to contribute until Morgan took over

Perhaps Coach Kaczenski knew technique, and perhaps his in-your-face style worked with some. But it is clear his track record is not that of a good coach.

He also coached several pro's for the Huskers.

It's fine that you disagree and I can't be certain he is a good coach, but I will point to the fact that he coached what 10 pro's in 7 year's. To me that feels like more than luck. Especially considering that a bulk of them were at Iowa.

 

[CP87]

He also coached several pro's for the Huskers.

It's fine that you disagree and I can't be certain he is a good coach, but I will point to the fact that he coached what 10 pro's in 7 year's. To me that feels like more than luck. Especially considering that a bulk of them were at Iowa.

The best players that he both recruited and helped to coach at Iowa are Louis Trinca-Passat and Carl Davis. Neither of them actually played much under his watch. The former was going to quit the team if Kac wasn't gone.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

The assistant coach who abused his wife and Urban fired is the grandson of Earl Bruce. I have a friend who played for Bruce when he coached Northern Iowa. He was a good player and one day in practice my friend made a mistake while running offensive drills. He said Bruce walked up to him, made a fist with his right hand and then punched him in the stomach knocking the wind out of him. My friend quit the team after that incident. Sounds like abusing people run's in that family.

I just read how ex-players are coming out now about how abusive Urban has been towards them, making them go way beyond what a body should do in the weight room, then calling them "p----es" and that kind of thing if they don't perform the way he wants them. Sounds like guys got hurt in the weight room or during practice because of how hard Urb worked them and how hard he rode them if they didn't perform to his liking.

I know it's not supposed to touchy-feely at training camp but this ^ kind of stuff can go too far.