Oh yah he is a stand up dude. LOL
Urban Analysis....Iowa at Michigan
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Oh yah he is a stand up dude. LOL
I want to see his Urban analysis of that game. That I would watch.
It's the purpose of the play. A back should always beat a safety or corner physically. For one thing, the back should outweigh the safety. For another, the back knows where he's going before the play starts and can hit the hole full speed, assuming the linemen and fullback do their jobs. Finally, the back specializes in lateral movement and yards after contact. They run contact and balance drills every day. The safety runs solo tackling drills but also has to run pass protection drills. His time is split. The back should be looking to punish that guy and get 4 plus yards every time once they break the los. If the DL or Backer beat their man, the play gets blown up before the back gets to the hole, and now you have to either take what you can or hope to bounce it outside, where the extra steps you took gives the safety time to close at a more advantageous angle. Head to head, shoulders squared, blocked well, that play gets 4 - 7 even if defended by the book with a decent back.
hawkeyes87
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Instead of hiring him, maybe they could pay him to do an "Offense for Dummies" video?
But BF called pass plays quite a few times on 2nd and 5 or 6 or a few times on 3rd and 3 or so. No problem to me when Mich is blitzing to have a power run at a certain Off line gap.
I have also been saying this since Saturday after the game that we could have or should have mixed in Young for power with Sargent and Goodson.
And it seemed to me that BF didnt use Goodson as much in the second half.
Well usually the Off linemen pass block in their gap or zone. If the Def linemen run a stunt or loop around the Off linemen take who comes into their area. I havent watched the Urban video but usually the blocking scheme called out by QB and center help decide who is picking up blitzers.
Very odd double teaming two pass rushers.
hawkfan2679
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I'm on record as saying I haven't seen much of the game, so excuse my ignorance, but how much play action did we use to counteract those safeties rushing down in run support? When safeties are making tackles in the running game I really don't see a problem with that from Iowa's perspective. However, it does become incumbent on the play-caller to recognize that you've got a safety creeping down as #8 in the box and you need to make them rethink/pay for that. That's what I saw on the first two rushing plays they showed. On the 2nd one (I think), the play was made because our play-side double team (RG in this case) moved off the double team too quick. It didn't matter who else he blocked...the guy he let slip through because Linderbaum hadn't overtaken was making the play, especially with the safety racing down in run support.
On the defensive plays, Jackson just got beat like a drum on the first one. Very little fancy going on there. On the 2nd play, that one is much tougher to block because of the timing of the blitz. First the pre-snap defensive movement caused the miscommunication. Usually in a 3 man front the OL will take the 3 downs and 2 LB's (in 5 man pass pro...which LB's will either be gameplanned or something as simple as what Iowa did, pointing them out). If RB's were involved in the pass pro it becomes 6 or 7 man protection and the OL will have 3 down, 2 LB's, and backs will take first threat inside/out (or outside in, based on team). But all Iowa is doing is setting the protection. Nate/Linderbaum are declaring who the 5 are that the OL will handle; however, Michigan had both time to move their guys around and time up the snap count nicely because of the pressure of the play clock (not to mention 44 timed and executed his blitz perfectly). It's just a simple overload blitz/rush where, in hindsight, it's easy to say we should have half-slid the OL blocking to the right, but there are probably instances on film where Michigan has shown that look and actually came with those guys weak (1 or both of them) so it's not that easy.
On offense, to eliminate making it harder on our line, especially against those 30 front teams, we really need to have something to make the defense tip their hand a little earlier. Whether it be dummy counts, quick counts, or changing tempo. Additionally, instead of incorporating as many man-block (big on big) concepts, do some pass sets where we half or full slide the protection one way or the other (more of an area blocking scheme than a man blocking scheme)...that's more of a 6 man+ pass pro scheme, but it could/should keep your QB from taking shots within 1.5 seconds of taking the snap. You can always check release the backs if you only get a 3 or 4 man rush.
It didn't help matters we generally were taking the clock down to 1 or 2 seconds. We definitely weren't using a snap count deal to counteract anything.
hawkfan2679
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It certainly becomes harder to execute when a defense KNOWS you have to snap the ball in a certain window and at the slightest flinch they can pin their ears back and go. If you (coaching staff) are going to preach execution, you have to put your players in a position to do so!
Id like to just take a class or seminar from him.
hawkfan2679
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This is one thing that every (well, probably not every, but close) RB coach in America tells their RB. Hell, we did that in HS too, even though a lot of times teams were playing guys both ways and those CB's or S's were also RB's. They'll tell their guys that if the OL does their job and puts a hat on a hat leaving you 1 on 1 with a safety, you have to make those runs count. Obviously we don't win even 50% of those, but that's the mindset they are trying to instill into their backs...make those runs count when you get into the 3rd level of the defense. Maybe not in the cases here because the safety is practically 2nd level due to the speed of his fill, but the punishment needs to be doled out.
The red zone run they showed actually was executed by Iowa pretty well, despite the 'spillage'. The FB took on the LB as planned, and the Safety wouldn't have met the RB until past the LOS, and that's a 3-5 yd gain minimum with a strong RB. The play was not busted by the Michigan defensive scheme -- it was busted because the O-line didn't hold their double-team block and the D-lineman (#2) made the tackle.
Urban Meyer IS really good at describing this stuff, tho.
Urban Meyer IS really good at describing this stuff, tho.
SteveGarvey1
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Urb's pretty smug and not a saint but he knows his crap, much more so than the Ferentzes.
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DDThompson
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Good post/link.
On the rushing plays, I don’t think Iowa probably thinks it’s a bad play for the RB facing off against a safety 3 yards downfield. A juke or a missed tackle is a 15+ play. If he makes the tackle it’s 3-5 yards.
#1DieHardHawk
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This is the point that I made in the other thread, and, it's a huge factor.
The offense did not play with the proper tempo. When you get to the LOS with under 10 seconds to go (which we did consistently the entire game), it plays right into an aggressive DC's plan. You don't have time to analyze, motion, adjust cadence, etc. The defense can change looks at the snap with ease, completely derailing the blocking assignments.
It's the same reason that many programs have their offenses go to the line and begin to call out signals, then pause and look over to the sideline for necessary adjustments after the OC reads the defense. It's annoying as a fan but can be effective.
deanvogs
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Well Urban had the superior team and players last time he had to coach against the Ferentzes. Don't think he knew more than them that night.
MelroseHawkins
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I was thinking the same thing. They broke all tendencies that night, TO EVERYONE'S SURPRISE!!
Northside Hawk
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Kirk and Urb wouldn't last ten minutes in the same room
and I know you're kidding.I still like this segment. DiNardo is a former B1G coach himself and Meyer appears to dwarf him with knowledge.
