Updated: #48 Ranked Class and #12 in B1G per ESPN

Sorry but ESPN is garbage. They cover in depth to top 50 kids and the rest they do very little research on. They are the Jerry Springer of sports. They mainly cover Lamar Ball and his stupidity or whatever is political. Sad because they were the best untill they became...fake sports news.
 
Kennyfromminne said:
How so wise one?
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Joshbrown said:
Hmmmm, can't use ESPN rankings apparently. Okay, here are Rivals' rankings.

Teams ranked higher than Iowa:
Indiana
Missouri (wtf?)
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Maryland
Michigan State
Michigan
Penn State
Ohio State

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2018/all-teams/football

Could that change sometime in February? Yes, and I hope it does.
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And 247 composite has Iowa ahead of:

Wisconsin, Nebraska, Indiana, Missouri

Each service has a pretty big difference in ranking, this shows what a total crap shoot these ranking are when you are outside of 4*/5* recruits and outside of the top 20 team rankings.
 
deanvogs said:
And 247 composite has Iowa ahead of:

Wisconsin, Nebraska, Indiana, Missouri

Each service has a pretty big difference in ranking, this shows what a total crap shoot these ranking are when you are outside of 4*/5* recruits and outside of the top 20 team rankings.
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So I did a little bit of math (despite being on Xmas break) regarding 247's rankings.

The number 20 class, TCU, gets a 247 composite rating of 215.55, with 19 recruits and an average rating of 87.69 (high 3-star).

The number 60 class is Texas Tech, with a composite of 169.73, 17 recruits, and an average of 84.37 (mid/average 3-star).

That's a difference of 45.82 points for total composite, and just 3.32 points for average. Seems like a decent amount, until you compare them with the top.

The number one class in the country is Georgia with 24 commits, a composite of 311.81(!) and an average 93.19(!!). The difference between them and the second class is almost 11 full composite points (OSU, 300.49), and you find a similar drop off to classes 20 through 60 already by class 7 (ND, 261.92).

Like I said with my previous post, you could add one or two 3-star recruits to a middling class like TTU and the jump up nearly 20 spots. The margin is razor thin, and ultimately means nothing in this area. For these teams, it's how they develop these guys. Complaining about how we're lumped in with other programs in this group means you're ignoring the history of recruiting at Iowa, and putting way too much stock into an ultimately meaningless ranking.

That was far too much math for one weekend. I need a drink.
 
Kennyfromminne said:
Thanks buttercup
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I don’t understand why you are so down on this class. Part of the reason our class was so “low” was because we strengthened up the Trenches and those kinds of guys get lower rankings. Are you angry because we lost out on BVS?

I’m no sunshine pumper. A lot of what I say is pretty negative but I can still look at thing objectively. We got a few future studs on the line and 3-4 great looking DBacks
 
ShockHawk22 said:
I don’t understand why you are so down on this class. Part of the reason our class was so “low” was because we strengthened up the Trenches and those kinds of guys get lower rankings. Are you angry because we lost out on BVS?

I’m no sunshine pumper. A lot of what I say is pretty negative but I can still look at thing objectively. We got a few future studs on the line and 3-4 great looking DBacks
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We did get some good recruits. But so did Minnesota. The point is if you're the dean of college football and the "logic" for a lifetime contract is that it helps recruiting . . . well . . . that needs to be reflected in actual results.

I've done my share of sunshine pumping, but I'm able to be honest that finishing behind certain programs in rankings, whether they be recruiting rankings or the end of season AP rankings should be unacceptable. Why?
We are obviously a program willing to pay for an elite coach. So why are we content to remain behind Nebraska and Wisconsin and Michigan State and maybe even Northwestern if Brian becomes head coach.
Look at my signature. We've been ranked once this decade. We are irrelevant. Why are you cool with that? Nobody (except the Athletic department people paid to post here like Dean & Melrose) should be content with that. Dude, our fan base has low standards yet is willing to pay for elite results. When you buy a Mercedes do you accept it if performs like a Yugo? No, you take it back to the dealer and tell them you want what you paid for. In one specific area of their life our fans are happy to be fleeced------------>HAWKEYE SPORTS. In all other areas of their life they wouldn't put up with that. Our fan base needs to discover the virtues of logic.
 
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A review of the 247 rankings sorts the teams by a total of all cumulative points. Iowa stands 35th with 18 commits and an average of 86.27. The difference between 86.00 and 86.99 is statistically insignificant. There are currently 11 teams with an average of 86 + a decimal. Of those 11 teams Minnesota had 26 commits and Mississippi had 16 commits to reach their respective average. They were the high and low for commits in the 86 grouping. Maryland was given a composite rank of 19 with 21 commits. Wisconsin was given a composite rank of 38 with 19 commits. So the range for composite score for the group of 86 is a rank between 19 and 38. There are teams with a lower composite ranking with a higher average with fewer commits. Florida State has 10 commits but an average of 92 and a composite ranking of 34.

So what do all these numbers tell us that we don't already know?
  1. They are based on subjective evaluation of high school football players without regard for student age and physical development.
  2. Rather than rank by composite score rank by groups. Is there a whole world of difference between an average of 86 and 87?
  3. Probably 40% of the commits will not be in their respective programs by their senior year.

https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
 
eyekwah said:
A review of the 247 rankings sorts the teams by a total of all cumulative points. Iowa stands 35th with 18 commits and an average of 86.27. The difference between 86.00 and 86.99 is statistically insignificant. There are currently 11 teams with an average of 86 + a decimal. Of those 11 teams Minnesota had 26 commits and Mississippi had 16 commits to reach their respective average. They were the high and low for commits in the 86 grouping. Maryland was given a composite rank of 19 with 21 commits. Wisconsin was given a composite rank of 38 with 19 commits. So the range for composite score for the group of 86 is a rank between 19 and 38. There are teams with a lower composite ranking with a higher average with fewer commits. Florida State has 10 commits but an average of 92 and a composite ranking of 34.

So what do all these numbers tell us that we don't already know?
  1. They are based on subjective evaluation of high school football players without regard for student age and physical development.
  2. Rather than rank by composite score rank by groups. Is there a whole world of difference between an average of 86 and 87?
  3. Probably 40% of the commits will not be in their respective programs by their senior year.

https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
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This is spot on. Those that lose their mind about rankings are just stupid. If you are in the top 10/20 teams it means something, outside of that it means little. What means more is that Iowa has proven time, and time and time and time again that they spot talent that isn't seen in lower ranked recruits and develop that talent.
 
The argument that we should expect better recruiting classes due to Kirk's longevity and (essentially) lifetime contract has some merit based upon the assumption that stability enhances recruiting success.

But, there is some flawed logic in the premise, in that there is an inherent assumption that the effect is missing. It is possible that perhaps Kirk's longevity and contract are resulting in better recruiting. In other words, given a scenario where Kirk is relatively new and doesn't have that contract, our recruiting classes could be ranked in the 60s and not the 30s. Also, it's important to point out that new coaches, especially "saviors," or charismatic ones, almost always get a bump in recruiting initially. The challenge is making it last.

It's a bit sobering to think that this may be the best Iowa can do under ideal circumstances, but that may be the case.

That said, I do agree with others that recruiting rankings are generally meaningless minus the very top and the very bottom. We are lumped in a very large group of programs that have classes that could go either way, and that's basically the case every season.
 
Classes 20-60 are so close, they just as well have drawn straws to see what order to put them in.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
The argument that we should expect better recruiting classes due to Kirk's longevity and (essentially) lifetime contract has some merit based upon the assumption that stability enhances recruiting success.

But, there is some flawed logic in the premise, in that there is an inherent assumption that the effect is missing. It is possible that perhaps Kirk's longevity and contract are resulting in better recruiting. In other words, given a scenario where Kirk is relatively new and doesn't have that contract, our recruiting classes could be ranked in the 60s and not the 30s. Also, it's important to point out that new coaches, especially "saviors," or charismatic ones, almost always get a bump in recruiting initially. The challenge is making it last.

It's a bit sobering to think that this may be the best Iowa can do under ideal circumstances, but that may be the case.

That said, I do agree with others that recruiting rankings are generally meaningless minus the very top and the very bottom. We are lumped in a very large group of programs that have classes that could go either way, and that's basically the case every season.
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I was going to post something similar to this. Are people thinking having the Dean of coaches should have us in the top 10 in recruiting?

Truthfully, we could probably have a top 20-30 class every year if recruiting services didn't adjust their rankings based on which programs offered and where a player committed. For instance, if every player that committed to us would have committed to their "best offer" instead of us, a lot of their rankings probably would have been slightly higher. You get 5-10 players to get a slight jump in ranking, our overall class would probably be top 15.
 
Joshbrown said:
We did get some good recruits. But so did Minnesota. The point is if you're the dean of college football and the "logic" for a lifetime contract is that it helps recruiting . . . well . . . that needs to be reflected in actual results.

I've done my share of sunshine pumping, but I'm able to be honest that finishing behind certain programs in rankings, whether they be recruiting rankings or the end of season AP rankings should be unacceptable. Why?
We are obviously a program willing to pay for an elite coach. So why are we content to remain behind Nebraska and Wisconsin and Michigan State and maybe even Northwestern if Brian becomes head coach.
Look at my signature. We've been ranked once this decade. We are irrelevant. Why are you cool with that? Nobody (except the Athletic department people paid to post here like Dean & Melrose) should be content with that. Dude, our fan base has low standards yet is willing to pay for elite results. When you buy a Mercedes do you accept it if performs like a Yugo? No, you take it back to the dealer and tell them you want what you paid for. In one specific area of their life our fans are happy to be fleeced------------>HAWKEYE SPORTS. In all other areas of their life they wouldn't put up with that. Our fan base needs to discover the virtues of logic.
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I agree with a lot of what you posted. I want a change of scenery around here as well (read other posts of mine). But the AD and people higher ups have made it clear, it’s Kirks show until he says he’s done. And more than likely Brian takes it from there. We can yell and scream all we want but all that will do is leave you hoarse (or cramped fingers in his case).

So the only thing that we can hope for is this younger blood of coaches make a push for Kirk to break out of some sort of his tendencies. That starts with recruiting and Landing higher caliber athletes, which is what I believe they have done in the previous few classes and especially this one.
 
ShockHawk22 said:
I agree with a lot of what you posted. I want a change of scenery around here as well (read other posts of mine). But the AD and people higher ups have made it clear, it’s Kirks show until he says he’s done. And more than likely Brian takes it from there. We can yell and scream all we want but all that will do is leave you hoarse (or cramped fingers in his case).

So the only thing that we can hope for is this younger blood of coaches make a push for Kirk to break out of some sort of his tendencies. That starts with recruiting and Landing higher caliber athletes, which is what I believe they have done in the previous few classes and especially this one.
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It is pretty obvious that KF has made the decision to go with younger assistant coaches. He has a couple holdovers in Reese, KOK and Phil, but pretty much everyone else on the staff is 40 or younger. I think this is pretty obviously paying off on the recruiting trail.
 
So how many we still looking to now add? Any big fish still in play? Great class and happy with it. If more hoping it closes strong. Anyone have any onsite? I’ve seen 18-22 for this class and not sure who else is still in play.
 
deanvogs said:
Sounds like Michael Thompson is gonna make a visit to Nebraska and Iowa in Jan. He is friends with Craddieth

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2018/michael-thompson-5839
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He would be a HUGE get. With Nixon staying on and the possibility of adding Thompson, we would immediately go from a weakness to a strength at DT, especially if Lattimore makes an off-season jump and Reiff adds another 15 lbs or so.

Thompson's recruiting has been all over the place. It looked like he was going to go the usual blue-blood route, then he went quiet, then everybody had him going to Mizzou. Now it looks like he's slowed it down again. I believe he visited before and does have a relationship with our staff. Hopefully, Craddieth can take us over the top.
 
This feels like the Indians fans arguing in the movie Major League. Forget about it, it's gone. Lol it's a good class. More 4* than normal and some really undervalued 3* players. Next year's class is off to a great start with 2+ 4 * players. The trend is up. Bowl win to keep momentum please. Thank you.
 
I studied the film clips of all 64 Power 5 Conference teams, looked at the rankings, did some adjustments for the levels of competition and performances at combines, then I made my own ranking. I ranked Iowa dead last 64 out of 64. Merry Christmas everyone.
 
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