Typical Wisconsin
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Fryowa
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Ha. Something tells me this would end up being a case study in some sociology textbook.
mopkins
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I actually support this. Doesn't really make sense to be a legal adult but not able to drink alcohol. You can get drafted, you can enlist, you can smoke cigarettes...you can get charged as an adult and you get treated as an adult...but yet you can't drink alcohol. It really doesn't make sense.
pythagoras
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It makes complete sense, have you seen a teenager ever? Do you remember being one??
STILLBUSTER
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So far, every reply in this thread reminds me of what my adult daughter - who just turned 21 and attends Wisconsin - would say ...
"Your 'old, white man' is showing, Dad."
I LOVE IT! Never should've changed in the first place. At least Wisconsin (and a few other states) have maintained less hypocrisy and more personal accountability by allowing 18 year-olds, who are out with parents, to drink a beer with their parents' permission.
I immediately noticed, she (and I believe, most 18-19-20 yo's) are about 10 X more responsible with alcohol than back in my 80's glory days. They drink less and less often and are much more likely to Uber or cab-it, than drive.
"Your 'old, white man' is showing, Dad."
I LOVE IT! Never should've changed in the first place. At least Wisconsin (and a few other states) have maintained less hypocrisy and more personal accountability by allowing 18 year-olds, who are out with parents, to drink a beer with their parents' permission.
I immediately noticed, she (and I believe, most 18-19-20 yo's) are about 10 X more responsible with alcohol than back in my 80's glory days. They drink less and less often and are much more likely to Uber or cab-it, than drive.
1hawkeye1
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Well, I hear ya. And I used to think that way when I was younger. But now that I'm older... the brain of a 19 year old is not fully developed and they make dumb decisions every day. Pour some alcohol on top of that and it's a recipe for disaster. So while you are correct that they are legally adults, they are not psychologically adults.
The correct legal drinking age should probably be more like 26. (32 would've been about right for me
) but that will never happen. Yeah, me and alcohol have a looong interesting history.
mopkins
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Well, I hear ya. And I used to think that way when I was younger. But now that I'm older... the brain of a 19 year old is not fully developed and they make dumb decisions every day. Pour some alcohol on top of that and it's a recipe for disaster. So while you are correct that they are legally adults, they are not psychologically adults.
The correct legal drinking age should probably be more like 26. (32 would've been about right for me
The problem is that other drugs are so much easier to get than alcohol, so the kids do those instead. When I was in college (early 2000's) it was so much easier to get weed from steve next door than it was to get alcohol from a gas station, so everyone just smoked weed.
Today's kids are doing synthetic drugs, heroin, meth and opiods because they're readily available everywhere, they're easy to get, easy to hide, and cheap. Kids don't drink alcohol because its too hard to get, too hard to hide/store, and so they do much worse drugs instead. It has never been easier for kids to get cheap drugs than it is today.
Almost the entire civilized world has a legal drinking age of 18-19.
Not the good ones.
Thawki
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THIS.
If they cannot drink until a certain age then they shouldn’t be eligible for the military draft until the same age. No way should you be able to be drafted and sent to war and NOT be able to drink legally.
mopkins
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But that's just it. When you're 18 you're legally an adult. You have the freedom to choose and you also have the law to punish you when you choose poorly. The government trusts you not to murder anyone when you turn 18, but if you do they punish you. They trust you're old enough to serve in the military when you're 18...you're trusted to give your life, but you're not trusted enough to drink alcohol.
You can buy and own a gun when you're 18, but you can't buy and consume alcohol until you're 21. This makes perfect sense to people....because America?
Joshbrown
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There was a time in Iowa when 18 was old enough. So to answer your question . . . Iowa.
mopkins
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The age was 18 when my parents grew up in Iowa. Its crazy to think they raised 2 kids and worked full time jobs until retirement. I thought alcohol only ruined lives.
I love it, if the courts are preventing the Federal government from cutting off funds for sanctuary cities, how would they be allowed to cut highway funds to the state? It is ridiculous to say you are an adult at 18, can join the military, marry....but not legally have a beer. On Wisconsin! At least on this issue.
WinOneThisCentury
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This is really going to cut into my fake id business in Wisconsin. Then again, alot people still want to be called McLovin.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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By this logic I hope you understand that any 19 year old that wants to drink is going to drink, despite it being illegal.
pythagoras
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Making it easier for everyone to obtain won't lead to any problems what so ever right????
The loss of revenue alone won't allow this to gain any traction what so ever anyway so the point is moot to begin with.
Knight78
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I've never understood the drinking age to be 21. You can enlist when you are 18 and the government will trust you with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of tech and other equipment when you are in the military..... but drink alcohol? They don't trust you.
And in response to others, the legal drinking age was 18 when I turned 18. Horrors!
And in response to others, the legal drinking age was 18 when I turned 18. Horrors!
HawkGold
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Responding to more than one comment. I can't say I've seen anyone benefit from alcohol. Seen a number directly and indirectly have their lives destroyed by it.
Kids don't drive much today period. That would correlate to less drinking and driving.
Volunteering for military service is a choice. I don't like it being 18. Military likes young ones as they are more likely do do what they are told in danger. Draft is a different thing. 18 yo's won't be drafted until after all other ages up to 25 are used up. 19 yo's are second to last, except the first to go are those coming up on their 20th birthday.
Talking about drinking with an adult in the home is different than in public. If there is no abuse, likely there are no consequences. In this country, when a minor is drinking with a parent, it's mostly not in positive light.
You don't have to be 18 to be prosecuted as an adult.
Fetal alcohol syndrome accounts for the majority of the prison population according to some studies.
Alcohol is the real gateway drug.
Kids don't drive much today period. That would correlate to less drinking and driving.
Volunteering for military service is a choice. I don't like it being 18. Military likes young ones as they are more likely do do what they are told in danger. Draft is a different thing. 18 yo's won't be drafted until after all other ages up to 25 are used up. 19 yo's are second to last, except the first to go are those coming up on their 20th birthday.
Talking about drinking with an adult in the home is different than in public. If there is no abuse, likely there are no consequences. In this country, when a minor is drinking with a parent, it's mostly not in positive light.
You don't have to be 18 to be prosecuted as an adult.
Fetal alcohol syndrome accounts for the majority of the prison population according to some studies.
Alcohol is the real gateway drug.
