Try harder, Kirk...

SonofaSailor said:
Want to know why we don't get top recruits? Have you been in Iowa City the last couple of days? And this winter hasn't even been that bad...it's weather like the weather of the last few days that makes me amazed Kirk can get ANYONE to come here if they have other offers.

Heck, -10 degrees makes me wonder what I'm still doing here...and I've lived here my entire life.
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So cold weather keeps recruits away unless your school has a tradition such as PSU and OSU.
 
MoseSchrute said:
^Wrong answer. You failed to find any flaw in his argument, which makes your first post rather meaningless.
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Hard to find a flaw when you won't read bleacherreport. I refuse to read stuff that makes me dumber. Hence blocking outoftown and several others
 
nice...have an opinion dip-shat. Do you think we have improved our coaches that are recruiting or not? I think we have. And we obviously have some in roads to Texas now...or at least we are getting an audience with a bunch of recruits now through Davis' connections.
 
SonofaSailor said:
Want to know why we don't get top recruits? Have you been in Iowa City the last couple of days? And this winter hasn't even been that bad...it's weather like the weather of the last few days that makes me amazed Kirk can get ANYONE to come here if they have other offers. Heck, -10 degrees makes me wonder what I'm still doing here...and I've lived here my entire life.
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Yeah, there's not a successful program in America that resides in a cold weather locale.
 
Easton said:
Hard to find a flaw when you won't read bleacherreport. I refuse to read stuff that makes me dumber. Hence blocking outoftown and several others
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Dude, I ran into a link while on TOS, okay? I guess you can hold your high and mighty self superior to the source for some reason if you want to, but you still haven't proved it incorrect. You just can't handle the fact that yer boy Kirk might not be recruiting as well as he could be.

Oh, by the way, it's a weak mind that has to block other views out.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
Article is right on the money. That being said, to me, KF is addressing the issue. Bringing in a younger staff, one with NFL experience or coaching on their resume, should help us in the recruiting area. There is no doubt 4-8, with one of the most anemic offenses in CFB, is hurting us. Man, that was an awful offensive product. The good news is that we already have the talent in the trenches, and I would say on both sides of the ball. We should be deep in the OL and talented. We have a ton of running backs and WR, although the WR talent still has to show it can play at this level. The defense will be much better, and honestly, the defense wasn't the reason we were 4-8. We could have beat ISU, Nebraska, Indiana, and Purdue if our offense could have fought it's way out of a wet paper sack. It was our offensive ineptitude of biblical proportions that cost us a winning season...not the defense.

With the changes in the coaching staff (and there must be a reason why KF hasn't announced the receivers coach), and what I believe will be a bounce back year with a bowl game, our recruiting should improve by a significant margin. We already have the two top players in Iowa for 2014 in the fold...and they aren't your everyday Iowa players...they had legitimate offers from top teams in the Big Ten and across the country. Whether you can see it through the negative lenses some people incessantly wear, there is a definite change in our recruiting strategy from a recruiter standpoint and they are changes for the better.
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Well said. Bouncing back enough to make a bowl is pretty much going to depend on what we can get out of a QB, which is a total unknown at this point.
 
Can someone answer a question for me please, I'm not 100% familiar with how recruiting works.

Each school can have 85 scholarship players on their team at any time. If that is the case how can Nebby or OSU offer so many players. What happens if they offer and more than the maximum allotment of players accept. Do they then just start turning players away? I thought that is what everyone is so up in arms about with the SEC and their over signing.

I also understand that out of the 129 that Nebby offers they're only going to get a small percentage of those athletes.
 
MoseSchrute said:
Dude, I ran into a link while on TOS, okay? I guess you can hold your high and mighty self superior to the source for some reason if you want to, but you still haven't proved it incorrect. You just can't handle the fact that yer boy Kirk might not be recruiting as well as he could be.

Oh, by the way, it's a weak mind that has to block other views out.
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Justify your link all you can. That site is not worth reading. I have no qualms not reading it. My weak mind will continue to laugh at those who cite is as good info. Almost as strong of a source as a message board.
 
Sparky said:
Can someone answer a question for me please, I'm not 100% familiar with how recruiting works.

Each school can have 85 scholarship players on their team at any time. If that is the case how can Nebby or OSU offer so many players. What happens if they offer and more than the maximum allotment of players accept. Do they then just start turning players away? I thought that is what everyone is so up in arms about with the SEC and their over signing.

I also understand that out of the 129 that Nebby offers they're only going to get a small percentage of those athletes.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. There is no limit on the number of players that can be offered. There are limits on the number of total scholarship players on any team, the number of preferred walk-ons, and how many kids you can have in pre-season fall camp. There is also theoretically a limit on how many players you can sign in each class, although there are a number of ways around that.

Every team in America offers dozens of more players than they have room for, typically on some sort of first come, first served basis. For example, a few years back, Iowa had one ride available for a RB. They had offers out to DeAndre Johnson, who had torn his ACL earlier in the season, and current Wisconsin stud James White. Johnson committed to Iowa first, so the coaches told White they didn't have enough room and couldn't take him. Something similar happened last year on a kid out of New Jersey. He had been going back and forth with the coaches for the better part of a year, then like the day before signing day he tries to commit and we tell him we don't have any room left. His high school coach was p*ssed and it became a minor issue in the media.

Oversigning is completely different. That's when you knowingly sign more kids to scholarship offers than you have spots available, with the idea being that you are either going to chase some underperforming kids out of the program (forced transfers, phony medical hardships, etc), or else you have the situation that occurred at I believe Texas Tech a few years back when 2 or 3 kids showed up for fall practice expecting that they had full scholarships, only to be told by the coaching staff that they were over the limit and seding them off to some JUCO.

This practice is technically not illegal by NCAA rules, but I believe the Big Ten has specific rules forbidding it. The league still allows each team to sign 3-5 kids over the 85 scholly limit, as long as they document how they plan to get down to 85 by the start of fall camp. Most teams have a few academic casualties, transfers, etc. that will allow them to account for the extra numbers.
 
GoHawks76 said:
You have no idea what you're talking about. There is no limit on the number of players that can be offered. There are limits on the number of total scholarship players on any team, the number of preferred walk-ons, and how many kids you can have in pre-season fall camp. There is also theoretically a limit on how many players you can sign in each class, although there are a number of ways around that.

Every team in America offers dozens of more players than they have room for, typically on some sort of first come, first served basis. For example, a few years back, Iowa had one ride available for a RB. They had offers out to DeAndre Johnson, who had torn his ACL earlier in the season, and current Wisconsin stud James White. Johnson committed to Iowa first, so the coaches told White they didn't have enough room and couldn't take him. Something similar happened last year on a kid out of New Jersey. He had been going back and forth with the coaches for the better part of a year, then like the day before signing day he tries to commit and we tell him we don't have any room left. His high school coach was p*ssed and it became a minor issue in the media.

Oversigning is completely different. That's when you knowingly sign more kids to scholarship offers than you have spots available, with the idea being that you are either going to chase some underperforming kids out of the program (forced transfers, phony medical hardships, etc), or else you have the situation that occurred at I believe Texas Tech a few years back when 2 or 3 kids showed up for fall practice expecting that they had full scholarships, only to be told by the coaching staff that they were over the limit and seding them off to some JUCO.

This practice is technically not illegal by NCAA rules, but I believe the Big Ten has specific rules forbidding it. The league still allows each team to sign 3-5 kids over the 85 scholly limit, as long as they document how they plan to get down to 85 by the start of fall camp. Most teams have a few academic casualties, transfers, etc. that will allow them to account for the extra numbers.
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I'd like to explain to you how questions work. If someone needs clarification or information they often times ask for more information from someone more versed in a subject. I followed those exact steps in asking for information on the subject of recruiting and over signing. Your comment of "you have no idea what you're talking about" wasn't really necessary considering I already called it during my initial post by saying I wasn't 100% sure about recruiting.

I get you're new here. Do yourself a favor and don't be a ****.
 
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Sparky said:
I'd like to explain to you how questions work. If someone needs clarification or information they often times ask for more information from someone more versed in a subject. I followed those exact steps in asking for information on the subject of recruiting and over signing. Your comment of "you have no idea what you're talking about" wasn't really necessary considering I already called it during my initial post by saying I wasn't 100% sure about recruiting. I get you're new here. Do yourself a favor and don't be a ****.
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You asked a question and I answered it, nimrod. It's not my fault that you're a dumb*ss. It's at this point that someone with even a modicum of intelligence would shut their yap and try and learn something from the smarter members of the class, but I can see that you clearly fail even that elementary IQ test. Feel free to p*ss off and wallow in your ignorance.
 
GoHawks76 said:
You asked a question and I answered it, nimrod. It's not my fault that you're a dumb*ss. It's at this point that someone with even a modicum of intelligence would shut their yap and try and learn something from the smarter members of the class, but I can see that you clearly fail even that elementary IQ test. Feel free to p*ss off and wallow in your ignorance.
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You're too easy.
 
Easton said:
Justify your link all you can. That site is not worth reading. I have no qualms not reading it. My weak mind will continue to laugh at those who cite is as good info. Almost as strong of a source as a message board.
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So, we know you can't/won't dispute his numbers and don't like that site. Thanks for the strong contribution.
 
Sparky said:
Can someone answer a question for me please, I'm not 100% familiar with how recruiting works.

Each school can have 85 scholarship players on their team at any time. If that is the case how can Nebby or OSU offer so many players. What happens if they offer and more than the maximum allotment of players accept. Do they then just start turning players away? I thought that is what everyone is so up in arms about with the SEC and their over signing.

I also understand that out of the 129 that Nebby offers they're only going to get a small percentage of those athletes.
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GoHawks76 said:
You have no idea what you're talking about. There is no limit on the number of players that can be offered.
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He never said there was. He asked a polite question, making clear he was unfamiliar with recruiting... and you misread it and went all d-bag on the guy.

The rest of your answer was excellent. Lose the anger issues and you'll be very welcome around here.
 
Easton said:
Justify your link all you can. That site is not worth reading. I have no qualms not reading it. My weak mind will continue to laugh at those who cite is as good info. Almost as strong of a source as a message board.
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BleacherReport is not a person, it is a website. There are writers on BleacherReport who aren't worth one millisecond of our time, and there are some excellent ones. This article is by BGHP's Adam Jacobi, who has been very solid in the past. His data source on this article is 24/7, and it's an interesting take.

I would be interested in knowing what you consider strong sources for recruiting info.
 
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