Trump supporters, how do you square this?

kicker22 said:
I'd disagree with you. I think Biden was running the county when he first took office but his age caught up with him and someone took the reigns as his cognitive abilities started to decline. I honestly think we're in for the same treat as I think Trumps already showing signs of decline and has three more years to go. It's what we get for electing older presidents.

Why Biden was pushed out of the race when he was I have no idea, but I keep hearing about trying to sneak Harris in at the last minute being this grand idea for whoever was pulling the strings in the democratic party. Whether conspiracy theory or not, what is the logic in it? IF they really wanted to do stir things why would they have pulled their card and inserted Harris into the equation with 3 months left. Let's be honest who's going to put together a campaign in three months? I think, and it's just me, that Biden honestly was deemed unfit to run again at the time he dropped out, because I think only a fool could think that making the switch 3 months before election day had any upside.
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Not enough time to mount a decent campaign and I don't believe middle America was
ready for Kamela who already had two strikes against her starting out

The majority of America wasn't ready for a Woke Assault and wanted to hear about economics
and anything else

Eggs and all that, everyone fell for that one

Actually, if tRUMP is still alive in 4 years, I believe he would be elected again when/if Constitution is Dead
 
kicker22 said:
Whether we agree or disagree (probably disagree) do you really think "all it takes is one judge to decide he doesn't like what the president is doing". Whether a Judge "likes what the president is doing" has nothing to do with it. The issue isn't like/dislike but rather whether the constitution is being upheld and whether the President is over stepping boundaries as President and doing things outside of the scope of his powers. I'd also venture to say that he's not the only one, but rather the only one brave enough to put himself out there and contest it.

It's really a matter of perspective and where you find yourself lining up politically. While you see it an abuse of power by a Judge and an issue that is "being abused bad lately" some of us on the other side feel that Trump has completely crossed the line and has been abusing his powers since returning to office.
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I completely get the perspective argument. I remember when a judge in Florida finally opposed something Biden did. Something with the vaccine or student loans maybe? I can't remember what it was but I remember having a different perspective than I do now. What's bothering me now more than anything is someone is fighting him every step of the way. This latest judge tried to turn around a plane carrying gang members out of the country.

But I'll say this one more time to be clear. There needs to be ways to keep power of a President in check. I just don't think this is the way. And as far as the constitution goes. Any good judge or lawyer can find a way to argue any point any time. So one judge saying something is unconstitutional doesn't necessarily mean it is. Yet they have the power to at least delay any more a president does. Find enough judges to take up your cause and you can delay away an entire four year term. I know if I got voted to be president and then starting doing the things that people voted me in to do, and then a judge tried to stop my every move, my exact words would be "who the F do you think you are?"
 
PCHawk said:
I completely get the perspective argument. I remember when a judge in Florida finally opposed something Biden did. Something with the vaccine or student loans maybe? I can't remember what it was but I remember having a different perspective than I do now. What's bothering me now more than anything is someone is fighting him every step of the way. This latest judge tried to turn around a plane carrying gang members out of the country.

But I'll say this one more time to be clear. There needs to be ways to keep power of a President in check. I just don't think this is the way. And as far as the constitution goes. Any good judge or lawyer can find a way to argue any point any time. So one judge saying something is unconstitutional doesn't necessarily mean it is. Yet they have the power to at least delay any more a president does. Find enough judges to take up your cause and you can delay away an entire four year term. I know if I got voted to be president and then starting doing the things that people voted me in to do, and then a judge tried to stop my every move, my exact words would be "who the F do you think you are?"
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In my opinion I think the bigger picture is why does it get that to that point. Honestly I think the bigger issue is legislation is either too in love, too full of hate, or simply too chickenshit to do the job they were elected to do. Right now they're too locked in to their own parties and fighting the opposite party to do anything. At least the judicial and executive branch are doing their jobs, regardless of what we think of their performance.
 
kicker22 said:
I'd disagree with you. I think Biden was running the county when he first took office but his age caught up with him and someone took the reigns as his cognitive abilities started to decline. I honestly think we're in for the same treat as I think Trumps already showing signs of decline and has three more years to go. It's what we get for electing older presidents.

Why Biden was pushed out of the race when he was I have no idea, but I keep hearing about trying to sneak Harris in at the last minute being this grand idea for whoever was pulling the strings in the democratic party. Whether conspiracy theory or not, what is the logic in it? IF they really wanted to do stir things why would they have pulled their card and inserted Harris into the equation with 3 months left. Let's be honest who's going to put together a campaign in three months? I think, and it's just me, that Biden honestly was deemed unfit to run again at the time he dropped out, because I think only a fool could think that making the switch 3 months before election day had any upside.
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I think it was Vivak Romaswamy who preemptively called out the timeliness perfect for how they were going to pull the plug on Biden. I'm talking months in advance. Them the timeliness played out perfectly how he said it would.

Everything from the timing of the debate (to show the world how declined he had "recently" become) to the reasons why that timing was necessary to make it work. Because let's be honest here. There was no campaign strategy that was going to work with Harris. Their best bet was to give her the shortest amount of time possible to screw it up.

Step one was to wait until it was too late to have a primary. Step two was to set Biden up for a debate they knew he would fail miserably at. Step three was to force him to resign with a letter on social media (what in the actual hell was that by the way). Step four was to force Harris through and have the media talk her up. This step needed to be as late in the process as possible so they could take advantage of the honeymoon phase. Step five was to run a really short campaign with the message that you're not old and you're not Trump.

The whole thing seems so obvious to me. But I guess it's easier to see it when you see someone lay it out for yiu before it happens and then points out every step in the process you called out as it happens live.
 
kicker22 said:
In my opinion I think the bigger picture is why does it get that to that point. Honestly I think the bigger issue is legislation is either too in love, too full of hate, or simply too chickenshit to do the job they were elected to do. Right now they're too locked in to their own parties and fighting the opposite party to do anything. At least the judicial and executive branch are doing their jobs, regardless of what we think of their performance.
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The democrats are definitely too in love with their own party. They almost always can be counted on to vote together. Republicans definitely are mote open to voting the other way. Although they do vote their party lines more than they should too.
 
Trump’s life is all about lawlessness and he brings this to the presidency. Some on this thread think the President is above the laws of this land. This is not the case and if allowed to run a lawless administration our democracy is finished. It’s not a judge doing his job it’s laws. That his supporters are now pushing for Trump disobeying the laws of the land is telling on the trash news they are taking in snd the gullibility that they possess to push for lawlessness in our government. Russia China has this already and I recommend you go there instead of attempting to bring this garbage to America
 
Gibsonian said:
Trump’s life is all about lawlessness and he brings this to the presidency. Some on this thread think the President is above the laws of this land. This is not the case and if allowed to run a lawless administration our democracy is finished. It’s not a judge doing his job it’s laws. That his supporters are now pushing for Trump disobeying the laws of the land is telling on the trash news they are taking in snd the gullibility that they possess to push for lawlessness in our government. Russia China has this already and I recommend you go there instead of attempting to bring this garbage to America
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I'm most worried about our actual democracy, and protecting our supreme legal document, the Constitution. Our new administrative branch is convincing millions of Americans that the Executive branch is above the other two branches, and that they can do things like:

1. Appropriate funds and skirt congress
2. Close agencies of the government at will
3. Ignore the law
4. Ignore or thumb their noses at court orders
5. Openly mock judges
6. Ban press members who question them too much (or if they don't like them)
7. Sell f*ing cars to prop of the stock of a mega donor. Oligarchy, anyone?

This looks like another country, not America, but unfortunately, it's the US.
 
Interesting quote on tariffs, from David Kelly of JP Morgan:

"The trouble with tariffs, to be succinct, is that they raise prices, slow economic growth, cut profits, increase unemployment, worsen inequality, diminish productivity, and increase global tensions. Other than that, they're fine."
 
Westernhawk said:
I'm most worried about our actual democracy, and protecting our supreme legal document, the Constitution. Our new administrative branch is convincing millions of Americans that the Executive branch is above the other two branches, and that they can do things like:

1. Appropriate funds and skirt congress
2. Close agencies of the government at will
3. Ignore the law
4. Ignore or thumb their noses at court orders
5. Openly mock judges
6. Ban press members who question them too much (or if they don't like them)
7. Sell f*ing cars to prop of the stock of a mega donor. Oligarchy, anyone?

This looks like another country, not America, but unfortunately, it's the US.
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My concerns exactly
 
Westernhawk said:
I'm most worried about our actual democracy, and protecting our supreme legal document, the Constitution. Our new administrative branch is convincing millions of Americans that the Executive branch is above the other two branches, and that they can do things like:

1. Appropriate funds and skirt congress
2. Close agencies of the government at will
3. Ignore the law
4. Ignore or thumb their noses at court orders
5. Openly mock judges
6. Ban press members who question them too much (or if they don't like them)
7. Sell f*ing cars to prop of the stock of a mega donor. Oligarchy, anyone?

This looks like another country, not America, but unfortunately, it's the US.
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Judges constantly undermining a president trying to do what he was voted in to do is not a democracy.


I understand that right now you think it's only because Trump is doing things he shouldn't be doing. But I highly doubt that's the case. We will see when we have the next republican president that this new way of doing things will continue. Democrats have opened up so many cans of warms that are going to forever change how our government works.
 
PCHawk said:
Judges constantly undermining a president trying to do what he was voted in to do is not a democracy.


I understand that right now you think it's only because Trump is doing things he shouldn't be doing. But I highly doubt that's the case. We will see when we have the next republican president that this new way of doing things will continue. Democrats have opened up so many cans of warms that are going to forever change how our government works.
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Judges undermining a president trying to install a dictatorship is exactly what a separation of powers democracy is designed to do.

Jesus Henry, sometimes I wonder if you've ever read a non-fiction book or passed high school social studies.
 
PCHawk said:
Judges constantly undermining a president trying to do what he was voted in to do is not a democracy.


I understand that right now you think it's only because Trump is doing things he shouldn't be doing. But I highly doubt that's the case. We will see when we have the next republican president that this new way of doing things will continue. Democrats have opened up so many cans of warms that are going to forever change how our government works.
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Judges have the authority to check a president's acts, if they veer into the territory of being illegal/unconstitutional. It's part of a functioning democracy. Sometimes people don't get what they want, but these guardrails prevent someone from de-stabilizing our precious social experiment. But, you and many others are all in on throwing away the co-equal model. You should be ashamed of yourself for that.

You sound like you love a single party, authoritarian state. You're very consistent. As dear leader would say, SAD!

I'm becoming convinced that you don't understand how our country is supposed to work (three co-equal branches). Nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise. You should look into perusing a HS Civics text. It's all right there, man. People like you will support the demise of our democracy, and people like me will not be forgiving.
 
PCHawk said:
Judges constantly undermining a president trying to do what he was voted in to do is not a democracy.


I understand that right now you think it's only because Trump is doing things he shouldn't be doing. But I highly doubt that's the case. We will see when we have the next republican president that this new way of doing things will continue. Democrats have opened up so many cans of warms that are going to forever change how our government works.
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Also, pay attention to the republican-appointed majority Supreme Court. Chief Justice Roberts, who definitely leans conservative, had some things to say this week about it. Are you aware of his comments, or does that not get through your partisan algorithm on X? Again, having an intelligent back and forth with you is impossible, because you don't even know what's going on. Check out the comments from the very conservative Chief Justice.
 
Westernhawk said:
Judges have the authority to check a president's acts, if they veer into the territory of being illegal/unconstitutional. It's part of a functioning democracy. Sometimes people don't get what they want, but these guardrails prevent someone from de-stabilizing our precious social experiment. But, you and many others are all in on throwing away the co-equal model. You should be ashamed of yourself for that.

You sound like you love a single party, authoritarian state. You're very consistent. As dear leader would say, SAD!

I'm becoming convinced that you don't understand how our country is supposed to work (three co-equal branches). Nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise. You should look into perusing a HS Civics text. It's all right there, man. People like you will support the demise of our democracy, and people like me will not be forgiving.
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So here's the deal. I specifically said multiple times that there needs to be a way to keep a president in check, but I don't think finding one judge willing to go to bat for you is the way. Someone will ALWAYS be able to find one judge if that's what they want to do. You would be flipping absolute shit if random Trump judges constantly tried to stop everything being done the last four years. You can preach from your high horse now, but you would be doing the exact same thing if roles were reversed. But hey, at least I comprehend your side. You think everything Trump does is evil. So under that pretense, a judge trying to stop him is democracy. Roles reversed, a Trump judge trying to stop Biden would be the end of democracy. At least I give you the respect of knowing where you're coming from. So return the favor and don't disrespect me by saying shit like "I'm becoming convinced you don't understand how our country is supposed to work" when you know damn well that's not the case. I believe these judges are abusing their power to stop the will of voters. Just respect that I think that (and think I'm an idiot for thinking that if you want) but don't pretend that I think Trump is destroying our country and I'm pissed that judges have the ability to stop him. I don't know if you're truly that blind to the thought that people think Trump is actually doing the right things or you're just being a dick by saying that. But it's clearly one or the other.
 
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