Trump supporters, how do you square this?

Also I'm not red at all. I'm anti government. That's why I'm liking what's going on right now. The whole "Republicans are good and democrats are bad" thing is ridiculous.
Power consolidation has never, in the history of civilization, ever been good for a society in the short or long term.

That is what's happening now. I don't care what team has the power.

There's a difference between government and "big government."
 
There's been a lot of outrage over government employees losing their jobs lately. Remember when people lost their job over not getting the vaccine?

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I think the issue is people made a choice to not get vaccinated which cost them there jobs where as in this case the argument is simply programs are getting cut because there not believed to be efficient. I absolutely feel it should be a person's right to chose whether they wanted to be vaccinated or not, and it was total BS for losing jobs due to their decision not to comply with the mandate. That said, I honestly see it in no different light then people losing their job for failing to submit an email.

While one is a little more extreme of a situation then the other, I don't see how someone could be opposed to one, but not the other or say that it's ok for the government to respond the way they did in one situation but not the other. Ultimately a choice is being made in both scenarios, when people are taking a stand for something they believe in or risking employment complying.
 
No one should've been forced to take the vaccine. And before the flaming starts, I voluntary took both courses of it the first time it came out. I've had covid twice and both were after the vaccine. I have no regrets about taking the vaccine, either.

The covid thing just gets used as a political weapon by the left and right so they have something to argue about like you guys are doing now.

If you were afraid of getting sick, stay home. Almost every person killed by covid was overweight and had preexisting comorbidities. Basically, if you chose for your entire life up to that point to eat Big Macs and soda, smoke, or didn't keep yourself relatively fit by at least walking a little everyday you were at risk. Those choices aren't everyone else in society's fault. There were some healthy folks who died of covid, but there are with literally every respiratory virus.

It wasn't worth (and still isn't) bringing society to a halt. Kids needed to be in school. People need to be able to walk up to others and talk to them with their faces showing if they both choose to. Humans need social activities like sporting events and computer club and to be able to go hang out with friends. Have any of you seen one of the myriad studies showing what happens to people's permanent mental health when they're totally isolated from other human beings?

It's a personal responsibility thing. You use data (not emotion) to decide what the risks are, and then you take the risks you are comfortable with. If you decide it's too risky to go out in public you stay home, with the added benefit that if you do that then you don't have to worry about someone without a mask infecting you.

Every single respiratory pandemic in history has shown us that it works its way through society and no matter what precautions are taken it can't be stopped. And then it eventually becomes just another cold virus. Like the Spanish Flu did, and like covid 19 did. The data also showed that if you are even remotely fit and healthy you have almost zero risk of dying. Those two points right there made me not worry even a little about it other than the harm we were doing with mythical "social distancing." I shouldn't be prevented from going to work or Walmart because someone else lived off of bacon, Mountain Dew, and cigarettes their whole lives and never took a walk.

It is basically rather simple

Noone has the right to stop someone from getting the vaccine

The research must be allowed to continue

The choice is individual: Take the vaccine and avoid getting the virus and if you do catch
it, it will not be, in most cases, life threatening

It is a choice and if one wishes to roll the dice, that is their decision

Just Don't make it difficult for anyone to get the vaccine
 
Were approaching the end of basketball and the dead time before college football starts. It's only going to keep growing, Nothing has changed in the first hundred pages and I'm sure nothing's going to change in the next hunded.

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Power consolidation has never, in the history of civilization, ever been good for a society in the short or long term.

That is what's happening now. I don't care what team has the power.

There's a difference between government and "big government."
I agree with this. The questions are, does this need to be done and is there any other way to do it. I personally think yes and no. Politicians are getting way too rich to ever change anything and this country isn't going to last on the trajectory it's on.
 
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I think the issue is people made a choice to not get vaccinated which cost them there jobs where as in this case the argument is simply programs are getting cut because there not believed to be efficient. I absolutely feel it should be a person's right to chose whether they wanted to be vaccinated or not, and it was total BS for losing jobs due to their decision not to comply with the mandate. That said, I honestly see it in no different light then people losing their job for failing to submit an email.

While one is a little more extreme of a situation then the other, I don't see how someone could be opposed to one, but not the other or say that it's ok for the government to respond the way they did in one situation but not the other. Ultimately a choice is being made in both scenarios, when people are taking a stand for something they believe in or risking employment complying.
Companies downsize and people lose jobs all the time. Being an employee of the government shouldn't make you immune to that possibility.

I kinda understand your analogy here. But one is forcing something on someone that people think is dangerous and the other is asking them to make sure they are actually a real person. What are you saying the people who refuse to respond to an email believe in?
 
Companies downsize and people lose jobs all the time. Being an employee of the government shouldn't make you immune to that possibility.

I kinda understand your analogy here. But one is forcing something on someone that people think is dangerous and the other is asking them to make sure they are actually a real person. What are you saying the people who refuse to respond to an email believe in?
The fact that it's an absolute bullshit request from someone who isn't even their supervisor let alone affiliated with the agencies they work for. To be quite honest I'd find myself in a similar situation as those that refused to get the covid vaccine if I had a federal position. I'm honestly not sure whether I'd submit an email or not.
 
Wr can only hope!
For what it's worth I know there's been a lot of hot topics in this thread, but I truly do respect and enjoy this thread. Great opportunity to get a lot of political feelings off my chest and to simply vent and while I don't agree and most likely won't ever, I've always been one to value the opinions of others. And most importantly it keeps us busy LOL.
 
Two lies from RFK worth repeating:

1. Measles outbreaks (one child death) "this is expected"... indicating this is not unusual. In fact, in 2000, the US eradicated Measles, and now it's back. I wonder why...
2. Hospitalizations: "They did this to quarantine the kids." That's not true at all. People are not brought into busy hospitals solely for the purpose of isolating them. They wouldn't meet inpatient criteria. Having worked in hospitals for 30 years, I know this is false.

So, lying or intentionally misinforming. We report. You decide.
 
More in the news (and WTF Trump):

From The Hill (and multiple other sources):

Trump, during an Oval Office meeting with British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, tempered his comments about Zelensky, including a social media post last week in which Trump called Zelensky a “dictator with elections.”

When asked by a reporter whether he still believed Zelensky was a dictator, Trump responded: “Did I say that? I can’t believe I said that. Next question.”
 
More in the news (and WTF Trump):

From The Hill (and multiple other sources):

Trump, during an Oval Office meeting with British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, tempered his comments about Zelensky, including a social media post last week in which Trump called Zelensky a “dictator with elections.”

When asked by a reporter whether he still believed Zelensky was a dictator, Trump responded: “Did I say that? I can’t believe I said that. Next question.”
I totally believe it. When your a pathological liar I'm sure you'd question it when you get called out because you have no idea what you said because there's a good chance that it changes from one day to the next.
 
For what it's worth I know there's been a lot of hot topics in this thread, but I truly do respect and enjoy this thread. Great opportunity to get a lot of political feelings off my chest and to simply vent and while I don't agree and most likely won't ever, I've always been one to value the opinions of others. And most importantly it keeps us busy LOL.

I haven't contributed much since the election (not a positive for my mental health, not a productive use of time)...but I still lurk through this thread now and again. If I see I am 10 pages behind, I don't go catch up on what I missed, but I will see what the latest scuttlebutt is.

For all those open-minded liberals/progressives/never-Trumpers out there, what do you see as some potential positives coming from Trump's moves? And try to avoid couching the potential good in the means by which it was brought about, just focus on things that might be a net positive moving forward.

I will start...getting Western Europe to pony up more on defense spending is good.
 
MFing Vance is interrupting Zelensky , and telling him: Mr Persident, with respect, it is disrespectful tor
you to come into the Oval Office and litigate this in front of the American Media

Neither one of them give a F... about the lives lost, men, women and children, the schools and hospitals destroyed and the total devastation of the towns and cities in Ukraine

This is an embarrassment, however the maga minions are feasting on the rhetoric

This is your America
 
I've enjoyed the past couple days of quiet on this thread.....buuuuuuuuuuuut

What in the absolute F is tRump and his side kick doing?!?!?!

They are the worst thing that has ever happened to this country.
 
MFing Vance is interrupting Zelensky , and telling him: Mr Persident, with respect, it is disrespectful tor
you to come into the Oval Office and litigate this in front of the American Media

Neither one of them give a F... about the lives lost, men, women and children, the schools and hospitals destroyed and the total devastation of the towns and cities in Ukraine

This is an embarrassment, however the maga minions are feasting on the rhetoric

This is your America
What just happened in the oval office w/ the media present was an embarrassment and a bad look. Not saying conversations like this shouldn't happen, they should just happen, but behind closed doors. Big mistake.
 
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