Trump supporters, how do you square this?

Also I'm not red at all. I'm anti government. That's why I'm liking what's going on right now. The whole "Republicans are good and democrats are bad" thing is ridiculous.
Power consolidation has never, in the history of civilization, ever been good for a society in the short or long term.

That is what's happening now. I don't care what team has the power.

There's a difference between government and "big government."
 
There's been a lot of outrage over government employees losing their jobs lately. Remember when people lost their job over not getting the vaccine?

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I think the issue is people made a choice to not get vaccinated which cost them there jobs where as in this case the argument is simply programs are getting cut because there not believed to be efficient. I absolutely feel it should be a person's right to chose whether they wanted to be vaccinated or not, and it was total BS for losing jobs due to their decision not to comply with the mandate. That said, I honestly see it in no different light then people losing their job for failing to submit an email.

While one is a little more extreme of a situation then the other, I don't see how someone could be opposed to one, but not the other or say that it's ok for the government to respond the way they did in one situation but not the other. Ultimately a choice is being made in both scenarios, when people are taking a stand for something they believe in or risking employment complying.
 
No one should've been forced to take the vaccine. And before the flaming starts, I voluntary took both courses of it the first time it came out. I've had covid twice and both were after the vaccine. I have no regrets about taking the vaccine, either.

The covid thing just gets used as a political weapon by the left and right so they have something to argue about like you guys are doing now.

If you were afraid of getting sick, stay home. Almost every person killed by covid was overweight and had preexisting comorbidities. Basically, if you chose for your entire life up to that point to eat Big Macs and soda, smoke, or didn't keep yourself relatively fit by at least walking a little everyday you were at risk. Those choices aren't everyone else in society's fault. There were some healthy folks who died of covid, but there are with literally every respiratory virus.

It wasn't worth (and still isn't) bringing society to a halt. Kids needed to be in school. People need to be able to walk up to others and talk to them with their faces showing if they both choose to. Humans need social activities like sporting events and computer club and to be able to go hang out with friends. Have any of you seen one of the myriad studies showing what happens to people's permanent mental health when they're totally isolated from other human beings?

It's a personal responsibility thing. You use data (not emotion) to decide what the risks are, and then you take the risks you are comfortable with. If you decide it's too risky to go out in public you stay home, with the added benefit that if you do that then you don't have to worry about someone without a mask infecting you.

Every single respiratory pandemic in history has shown us that it works its way through society and no matter what precautions are taken it can't be stopped. And then it eventually becomes just another cold virus. Like the Spanish Flu did, and like covid 19 did. The data also showed that if you are even remotely fit and healthy you have almost zero risk of dying. Those two points right there made me not worry even a little about it other than the harm we were doing with mythical "social distancing." I shouldn't be prevented from going to work or Walmart because someone else lived off of bacon, Mountain Dew, and cigarettes their whole lives and never took a walk.

It is basically rather simple

Noone has the right to stop someone from getting the vaccine

The research must be allowed to continue

The choice is individual: Take the vaccine and avoid getting the virus and if you do catch
it, it will not be, in most cases, life threatening

It is a choice and if one wishes to roll the dice, that is their decision

Just Don't make it difficult for anyone to get the vaccine
 
Were approaching the end of basketball and the dead time before college football starts. It's only going to keep growing, Nothing has changed in the first hundred pages and I'm sure nothing's going to change in the next hunded.

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Power consolidation has never, in the history of civilization, ever been good for a society in the short or long term.

That is what's happening now. I don't care what team has the power.

There's a difference between government and "big government."
I agree with this. The questions are, does this need to be done and is there any other way to do it. I personally think yes and no. Politicians are getting way too rich to ever change anything and this country isn't going to last on the trajectory it's on.
 
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I think the issue is people made a choice to not get vaccinated which cost them there jobs where as in this case the argument is simply programs are getting cut because there not believed to be efficient. I absolutely feel it should be a person's right to chose whether they wanted to be vaccinated or not, and it was total BS for losing jobs due to their decision not to comply with the mandate. That said, I honestly see it in no different light then people losing their job for failing to submit an email.

While one is a little more extreme of a situation then the other, I don't see how someone could be opposed to one, but not the other or say that it's ok for the government to respond the way they did in one situation but not the other. Ultimately a choice is being made in both scenarios, when people are taking a stand for something they believe in or risking employment complying.
Companies downsize and people lose jobs all the time. Being an employee of the government shouldn't make you immune to that possibility.

I kinda understand your analogy here. But one is forcing something on someone that people think is dangerous and the other is asking them to make sure they are actually a real person. What are you saying the people who refuse to respond to an email believe in?
 
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