Trump supporters, how do you square this?

In 10 years we can probably 3d print a pair of shoes in 5 seconds for 5 cents. I think your "never" comment is pretty short sighted.
Well until you have more than an, "I think" or a, "probably" we probably don't have a lot of meaningful things to discuss.

I gave data and reasoning points that you can look up and verify, and in return you give maybes and probablys and I thinks without anything to support your points. I don't know what to do with that really, other than saying I'm glad you have an opinion you feel strongly about. [insert shrug emoji]
 
But if 99.9% of your access to him was media heresy and video clips, your opinion of him would already be set enough to not really care about the .1% of hearing full conversations from him.
I'm done, you win. It's a fucking cult.............
 
In 10 years we can probably 3d print a pair of shoes in 5 seconds for 5 cents. I think your "never" comment is pretty short sighted.
What about the example I gave of importing 386 million vehicle tires every year vs a maximum production capacity here of 11 million tires?

I suppose we're going to 3D print truck tires in ten years for $0.25 each in 5 minutes? Or maybe in 10 years Elonovich will have invented flying vehicles by then and they'll be full-production.

Oh and I forgot, in your 3D printed shoe example, where are we going to get the material to do that? Mars? Might happen. How about 375 million surplus 3D printed tires? Where do you propose we get all that material?

Your arguments remind me of a saying. "How about you try wishing in one hand and shitting in the other, and see which one fills up first."
 
You keep asking these questions in absolutes. I never said it was impossible for Musk to care about humanity. I said I believe it's highly improbable that he's doing any of this for the good of humanity. How you try to spin it is your business.

Also remember, the things you said he did for humanity weren't just for humanity, pal. That's how he got to be the world's richest person, lol. If there wasn't a whole lot of money in it for him there's no way he does any of it. You can believe what you want.
There was no money in it until him. He could have picked a million things to do to get rich. He gravitates towards doing things that are good for humanity. And he talks about it a lot. If it was for the money, I think he could stop now. That said, of course you want to make money. But he sure as hell didn't pick lucrative companies to get involved in.
 
There was no money in it until him. He could have picked a million things to do to get rich. He gravitates towards doing things that are good for humanity. And he talks about it a lot. If it was for the money, I think he could stop now. That said, of course you want to make money. But he sure as hell didn't pick lucrative companies to get involved in.
He got into all of his businesses to become rich. Sorry. Believe what you want.
 
Big difference between biased and facts. Try finding real facts that are leaning your way. Just stop.
Like your post about the agreements come to before with the Biden administration. Agreements were reached but the stuff isn't getting done. Then Trump has to use the tariffs to force them to actually do it. Fact is Canada wasn't doing what they agreed to. Facts are what is really going on. Terms that are not met and promises that are unfulfilled are not facts or reality. You want to say something as fact and claim victory on a message board but that isn't the whole story is it?

The proper thing to do is learn what really is and what really isn't going on. It sounds stupid saying this has already been done. Trump and all the people that have plenty of knowledge of the situation are needlessly trying to force our neighbors to do what they are already doing. Fact is the ask nicely before didn't get them moving and now we have to push them to do what they agreed to do.
 
Well until you have more than an, "I think" or a, "probably" we probably don't have a lot of meaningful things to discuss.

I gave data and reasoning points that you can look up and verify, and in return you give maybes and probablys and I thinks without anything to support your points. I don't know what to do with that really, other than saying I'm glad you have an opinion you feel strongly about. [insert shrug emoji]
Sorry I can't tell you the exact date 3d printing will become that mainstream or an exact time it will take to make a pair of shoes. I didn't know they were relevant to the point I was making.

It wasn't your data and reasoning points I rebuttaled there. It was your speculation that we could NEVER keep up with China's cheap labor. I've got no problem with your data points. Your speculation seemed to extreme for me.
 
There was no money in it until him. He could have picked a million things to do to get rich. He gravitates towards doing things that are good for humanity. And he talks about it a lot. If it was for the money, I think he could stop now. That said, of course you want to make money. But he sure as hell didn't pick lucrative companies to get involved in.
Musk must have done something right, since his personal net worth since the November election increased by $156 billion. Total USAID annual spending to provide food, medicine, shelter and other services to impoverished countries around the world: $38 billion.

You think Musk has that laying around? Yep, but he'd rather shut it down.

Now, I believe we give way too much money to other countries and wars, but Elon isn't from America. If he's so concerned about humanity, why wouldn't he take care of this? Or at least help?
 
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He got into all of his businesses to become rich. Sorry. Believe what you want.
This post is even worse than I originally thought. Musk is one of the smartest people alive and pretty much every business he's touched has turned to gold. The only way your post is relevant at all is if you think Musk was picking business opportunities based on odds of getting rich off them. It's pretty obvious Musk did just the opposite. He picks companies based on what interests him and then turns them into money makers. Your argument is dumb at worst and irrelevant at best.
 
What about the example I gave of importing 386 million vehicle tires every year vs a maximum production capacity here of 11 million tires?

I suppose we're going to 3D print truck tires in ten years for $0.25 each in 5 minutes? Or maybe in 10 years Elonovich will have invented flying vehicles by then and they'll be full-production.

Oh and I forgot, in your 3D printed shoe example, where are we going to get the material to do that? Mars? Might happen. How about 375 million surplus 3D printed tires? Where do you propose we get all that material?

Your arguments remind me of a saying. "How about you try wishing in one hand and shitting in the other, and see which one fills up first."
First of all, a tire and a shoe don't have equal value so why would time and cost to print each need to be equal? Second of all, again, my made up numbers had no relevance whatsoever to the point I was making. That point was to counter your narrow minded "never" speculation.
 
Musk must have done something right, since his personal net worth since the November election increased by $156 billion. Total USAID annual spending to provide food, medicine, shelter and other services to impoverished countries around the world: $38 billion.

You think Musk has that laying around? Yep, but he'd rather shut it down.

Now, I believe we give way too much money to other countries and wars, but Elon isn't from America. If he's so concerned about humanity, why wouldn't he take care of this? Or at least help?
I'd like to know what percentage of that 156 billion is tesla shares. I'd also like to know what percentage of the 38 billion actually went to what it was supposed to go to. That's a question everyone should want to know. Not that our opinion matters here, but would you want to shut it down of say 37 of the 38 billion went to fatten pockets and only one billion went to what it was supposed to? What if 100% of it is getting wasted and it's all just a money laundering scheme? One thing I do know is a lot of politicians aren't liking that it's getting looked into.
 
Like your post about the agreements come to before with the Biden administration. Agreements were reached but the stuff isn't getting done. Then Trump has to use the tariffs to force them to actually do it. Fact is Canada wasn't doing what they agreed to. Facts are what is really going on. Terms that are not met and promises that are unfulfilled are not facts or reality. You want to say something as fact and claim victory on a message board but that isn't the whole story is it?

The proper thing to do is learn what really is and what really isn't going on. It sounds stupid saying this has already been done. Trump and all the people that have plenty of knowledge of the situation are needlessly trying to force our neighbors to do what they are already doing. Fact is the ask nicely before didn't get them moving and now we have to push them to do what they agreed to do.
This is a perfect example of how easy it is for the media to distort someone's opinion. There is always some half assed fact you can point to that if you just leave it at that. You will trick half of the people listening into believing something that isn't really true. They didn't even have to lie. Just preach about one fact over and over and purposefully leave the rest out. They didn't leave the part out where the countries weren't doing what they agreed to on accident. They knew the entire story and only told half to purposefully mislead the public. That's why Twitter is better than anywhere else. If I would have seen that on CNN, I might have walked away believing something that wasn't accurate. When I see the CNN clip on Twitter, I can read some comments and within 30 seconds of reading I know more to the story. It's much harder to get away with bullshit on Twitter. You can put bullshit on there (and there's a lot of it) but it gets called out in real time.
 
Well until you have more than an, "I think" or a, "probably" we probably don't have a lot of meaningful things to discuss.

I gave data and reasoning points that you can look up and verify, and in return you give maybes and probablys and I thinks without anything to support your points. I don't know what to do with that really, other than saying I'm glad you have an opinion you feel strongly about. [insert shrug emoji]
I'm sorry but this is funny too. When I give my opinion and start it with "I think" or "probably" that's not a bad thing. You give opinions and phrase them as facts. I think most people here would agree that that's a way worse way to communicate.
 
Musk must have done something right, since his personal net worth since the November election increased by $156 billion. Total USAID annual spending to provide food, medicine, shelter and other services to impoverished countries around the world: $38 billion.

You think Musk has that laying around? Yep, but he'd rather shut it down.

Now, I believe we give way too much money to other countries and wars, but Elon isn't from America. If he's so concerned about humanity, why wouldn't he take care of this? Or at least help?

He is a power obsessed multi billionaire who wants to run America to his whims

This is unpresented and extremely dangerous for Democracy and has to be stopped

Difficult to believe tRUMP has been a behind the scenes president for about 2 weeks
 
This post is even worse than I originally thought. Musk is one of the smartest people alive and pretty much every business he's touched has turned to gold. The only way your post is relevant at all is if you think Musk was picking business opportunities based on odds of getting rich off them. It's pretty obvious Musk did just the opposite. He picks companies based on what interests him and then turns them into money makers. Your argument is dumb at worst and irrelevant at best.
Ok, I guess? Lol. You want a reaction from me? I ain’t a cult worshipper of anyone let alone Muskovich so I don’t know what you expect me to say. You’re pretty offended over someone you’ve never met.
 
I'm sorry but this is funny too. When I give my opinion and start it with "I think" or "probably" that's not a bad thing. You give opinions and phrase them as facts. I think most people here would agree that that's a way worse way to communicate.
The point was you’re defending your argument with, “I don’t have to give your position any credence because I’m hoping there will be some kind of technological advancement in ten years that will prove you wrong.” Kinda weak of you ask me, but then again you didn’t ask me so what do I know. You sure get awfully mad about all this. That’s usually a sign of being frazzled in my experience.
 

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