Trump supporters, how do you square this?

[PCHawk]

While I disagree, it’s same/same. The parties control who gets the chance at being president, not you and not the public. They want you to think you do because they make it some big chest pumping ritual where you’re “doing your civic duty,” LOL

No different than religion. They light a spark in easily duped people, and then they fuel it with promises that they’re looking out for you first, and then guilt if you don’t sit in the pew or cast a vote for their mothership.

Nothing about American government is democratic, or a republic, or blah blah blah. It’s two parties each wanting to be in control who limit your options to two sets of their minions. You have no choice but from those two companies.

I completely agree with all of that, other than the same/same part. You said in your first post that the party will pick the candidate who gives them the best chance to win. I say they care more about having the candidate that they can control. I see how you think it's the same. But I think it's a relevant difference.

 

[PCHawk]

You think voting makes a difference otherwise why would you do it? That’s the crux of the matter. It’s all bullshit until you can give a logical reason otherwise. That’s what I’m getting at. This whole thing is just a big theater of the absurd and you eat it up which is what the left and the right want you to do.

You get to choose between terrible choice A and terrible choice B, and those are your only choices. This system you seem so interested is just a big farce. An independent has no chance. Literally, not figuratively. That’s not a free election. But you think it is.

Guilty as charged on eating it up. But I only think voting makes a difference when you have the option to vote for someone who didn't spend his life in politics. If Trump gets in and makes the country noticeably better, then has someone directly under him run, I'll probably vote for him hoping he keeps it going. If Trump gets in and it's 4 more years of the same (like last time) I'll probably never vote again. (I truly believe this is likely to be what happens). If Trump loses, I won't vote again until someone else comes along who isn't a career politician. I guess I'm duped that it's possible an outsider can clean things up. But the funny thing is, when I say "possible for an outsider to clean things up" you read " it's guaranteed that an outsider will clean things up".

Your last paragraph is all true other than the part where you say I think it's a free election. I seriously wonder if you even read my posts.

 

[Gibsonian]

Morning message from the man who buried his ex wife on the golf course and who also organized and sent fake electors from a half dozen states to cheat in our national election. The man, the con Don

 

[SCHawkeye2]

I think him being a narcissist might be a good thing. People think that because he is one, he is Hitler and wants all the power in the world. I think he wants to be remembered as the greatest president that ever lived. There's an old video of him talking to Oprah (back when she loved him) where he talked about how poorly our country is run in terms of trading deals with other countries. He said he would never run for president. When she pushed him, he said he can't say never because if it keeps getting worse he would maybe do it.

I think his goal is to turn this country around from the economical standpoint. He wants to get business back from overseas and stop relying so much on other countries. If he did that and returned us to where we were around WW2 (and if the media stopped vilifying him) he would be remembered as a great president. He's got no chance to be considered the greatest now after everything that's transpired, but there's no way he could have known how bad he would be attacked.

People act like MAGA is a racist thing, saying it was never great from the black people's point of view (which is true). But it's not about that. America used to manufacture everything. Now it all comes from overseas. It's not sustainable. We were a wealthy country precisely because of our manufacturing. Without that we are only rich in terms of raising our debt with no regard to where that leads.

He said in the 80s that's why he would run, and he still says now that's why he is running. Again, that's what the whole MAGA slogan is about. Getting us back to where we prospered economically. He just had no idea the shitstorm he was in for the second he won. He says now he knows more about who to hire and what to do. I have my doubts for sure. But with my opinion of the government machine, I've got no choice but to hold out hope for him and his movement.

The Art of the Con and Why People Fall for It

A little bit of knowledge goes a long way when deflecting con artists.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[PCHawk]

The Art of the Con and Why People Fall for It

A little bit of knowledge goes a long way when deflecting con artists.

www.psychologytoday.com

If he's such a con artist, why does the media bother making up fake stories like the very fine people hoax? I used to say it was dumb for the media to make up fake stories about him when he gives then enough ammo not to. Now I wonder if they have no choice but to make stuff up.

One thing I find really interesting is how hard it is to find someone willing to say he sexually assaulted them. Guys like Tiger Woods, Bill Cosby, and DeShawn Watson have one person accuse them of something and the floodgates open. With how "bad" Trump is, you would think women would be lining up for miles to accuse him of something.

 

[#1DieHardHawk]