Trump supporters, how do you square this?

[PCHawk]

While I disagree, it’s same/same. The parties control who gets the chance at being president, not you and not the public. They want you to think you do because they make it some big chest pumping ritual where you’re “doing your civic duty,” LOL

No different than religion. They light a spark in easily duped people, and then they fuel it with promises that they’re looking out for you first, and then guilt if you don’t sit in the pew or cast a vote for their mothership.

Nothing about American government is democratic, or a republic, or blah blah blah. It’s two parties each wanting to be in control who limit your options to two sets of their minions. You have no choice but from those two companies.

I completely agree with all of that, other than the same/same part. You said in your first post that the party will pick the candidate who gives them the best chance to win. I say they care more about having the candidate that they can control. I see how you think it's the same. But I think it's a relevant difference.

 

[PCHawk]

You think voting makes a difference otherwise why would you do it? That’s the crux of the matter. It’s all bullshit until you can give a logical reason otherwise. That’s what I’m getting at. This whole thing is just a big theater of the absurd and you eat it up which is what the left and the right want you to do.

You get to choose between terrible choice A and terrible choice B, and those are your only choices. This system you seem so interested is just a big farce. An independent has no chance. Literally, not figuratively. That’s not a free election. But you think it is.

Guilty as charged on eating it up. But I only think voting makes a difference when you have the option to vote for someone who didn't spend his life in politics. If Trump gets in and makes the country noticeably better, then has someone directly under him run, I'll probably vote for him hoping he keeps it going. If Trump gets in and it's 4 more years of the same (like last time) I'll probably never vote again. (I truly believe this is likely to be what happens). If Trump loses, I won't vote again until someone else comes along who isn't a career politician. I guess I'm duped that it's possible an outsider can clean things up. But the funny thing is, when I say "possible for an outsider to clean things up" you read " it's guaranteed that an outsider will clean things up".

Your last paragraph is all true other than the part where you say I think it's a free election. I seriously wonder if you even read my posts.