ArizonaHawkeye88
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Okay, I think we may have two scholarships left. If both Thomas and Curry want to be a Hawkeye, do we accept both. Or do leave one open hoping Lambert will leave Rutgers and become a Hawk?
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hawkfarmer
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I think we actually have more than 2 spots. Draper makes 23 right? the two JC, if enrolled this semester, do not count to the 25 limit.
ColumbusHawk
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Where do people get these crazy ideas! There is no such thing as counting scholarships against last year. The Big Ten does not have an annual limit. The conference allows programs to sign three over the 85-scholarship limit, no more. For example, if Michigan has fifteen open scholarships, the Wolves can sign only eighteen players.
That is why Nebraska & Wisconsin have only about thirteen committments. In contrast, Minnesota is going to bring in at least twenty-eight recruits. Actually, Iowa, with the twenty-two committments & the scholarship to the walk-on wide receiver, plans on using at least twenty-three scholarships towards the 85-man limit.
If a program chooses to oversign, in the fall, it must document to the Big Ten office how it came down to the 85-man limit. Of course, if a program signs several players like Rodney Coe, it has no problem.
Churlish79
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You accept both.
Don't worry about Lambert.
Flood will keep the entire staff in place and likely keep practices at the same time. Many of the recruits have voiced they are still all in. Lambert is a long shot.
If he wants in, you can find a way then.
hawkfarmer
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It was shown in a thread last week somewhere, that you can have a huge class sign like 32 Minnesota had one year, but 8 were JUCO as you can only have 25 start the semester in each class. This is what it is in reference to.
Hawkeye11en1
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Pretty sure the B10 has no such rule. There is no 25 man limit to each class. It is a set 85 man limit with the previously mentioned 3-man leeway. If they have 25 spots, they can sign 28. If they have 20, they can sign 23.
hawkfarmer
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Hmm. My apologies I swear I read that from the B10 site on this board, but must have been the NCAA or something else, well my apologies.
So my question is if you sign 3 over, how do you get back down to 85
ColumbusHawk
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That is not true. Forget twenty-five, that is an NCAA rule that does not apply to the Big Ten. Because the Big Ten rules are considered more restrictive than the NCAA rules, the NCAA rules do not apply to Big Ten programs. For example, under the NCAA rules, Nebraska & Wisconsin could still sign twenty-five recruits. The magic number is eighty-eight & not twenty-five.
Last year, Illinois has thirty-one committments from high school players. However, because of last minute defections & academic issues, the Illini only sign twenty-seven. None of them Juco transfers.
Scout.com: Football Recruiting
hawkfarmer
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Yeah, see the post directly above one you just made and you'll see where I talk abou this. My quesiton is still how does the B10 get away with 88 scholarships then. Doesn't make sense.
They don't. All programs must be under the 85 man limit at the start of fall practice. In addition, schools must provide written explanation to the conference how they managed to get under the limit.
How is this done you ask? Usually by signing guys who the schools are doubtful will qualify, players transferring, etc.
The reason the schools are required to document how they came to be below the 85 man limit is to prevent a coach from doing what Saban does and just use a medical hardship waiver (or outright cutting a kid).
ColumbusHawk
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Hopefuly, you signed a few players like Rodney Coe. Otherwise, the program pulls the scholarships of several existing players. Of course, that doesn't look very good to the Big Ten office.
Hawkeye11en1
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Don't they end up using thing like medical hardships and such? Keep scholarships but "retire" from football due to "medical" condition.
From my understanding, that's why they are required to provide evidence to the Big 10 offices. I would imagine the Big 10 keeps a close eye on that.
The only player I can think of that Iowa has used a medical hardship on was Murphy.
ColumbusHawk
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That is what you do if you are in the SEC. However, in the Big Ten, the school has to send in the medical records. It is one of the things that is being looked into at Alabama. Here is a wonderful article from the Wall Street Journal.
Alabama Crimson Tide Football Has Some Unhappy Castaways - WSJ.com
Hawkeye11en1
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Oh by the way, don't think I didn't notice you getting voted out early in Mafia over at CF. I expect more from you.
Hawkeye11en1
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Oh by the way, don't think I didn't notice you getting voted out early in Mafia over at CF. I expect more from you.
Those bastards take me out early every time. And I'm never mafia damnit!
MoseSchrute
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Yep, forget about Lambert at this point.
