To defer or not??

Anecdotes, narratives, and one-offs.

If it is so obvious to you, please compile the numbers to show us you are correct.
Nice deflection, lol. First of all, I didn't say I had those "numbers," just that your post of winning percentage has no context and thus can't draw any conclusions relevant to the topic. Which is still true.

Second, if you do want some numbers,

Indiana 2021: 4 false starts, 1 delay of game penalty plus a time out due to crowd noise on the north end of the field.

Penn State 2021: 9 false starts (including 3 in a row), 7 of which were on the north end. Plus a time out due to crowd noise.

There are plenty more, you can go on ESPN and look at play by play box scores of every D-1 game going back over 10 years.
 


What am I deflecting? You are the one making assertions.

I think it mostly doesn't matter. Same as my thoughts about the people who complained that Iowa started the B1G season with a conference road game for 8 years in a row, or whatever it was. The team had the same number of home games and road games no matter the order.

The visitors will be in the North end zone two quarters of every game.
 


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There are plenty more, you can go on ESPN and look at play by play box scores of every D-1 game going back over 10 years.

That's be nearly 16,000 data points. More if you count bowl games from the first 7 of those years.

The problem is getting all 16k of those. You'd have to collect 16k sports books or game film or whatever a team uses to record stuff. And that's if they record it. You could get to who starts with the ball fairly easy, but not who won the toss. At least not in all thee digging i did or the digging i asked chatgpt to do.

Man I love this stuff. So useless and of zero value to me. I don't totally understand why I like it so much and am fascinated by it. I suck at math

My kid can do it. Which is why his soon to be actuary degree at Iowa has already landed him a job that pays over 4x more than my first job AFTER inflation adjustment.

I should have worked harder in math.
 


My kid can do it. Which is why his soon to be actuary degree at Iowa has already landed him a job that pays over 4x more than my first job AFTER inflation adjustment.
My son is 18 and started an HVAC apprenticeship 2 days after graduation. Was going to run in college and had most of it paid for with scholarships in track + XC but went this route because he decided he would be going for sports instead of school. He's not a sit at a desk kid in any way. Hates it.

Loves his job, free schooling 3 nights a week after work, and within about 4-5 years will make more than I do now.
 




My son is 18 and started an HVAC apprenticeship 2 days after graduation. Was going to run in college and had most of it paid for with scholarships in track + XC but went this route because he decided he would be going for sports instead of school. He's not a sit at a desk kid in any way. Hates it.

Loves his job, free schooling 3 nights a week after work, and within about 4-5 years will make more than I do now.

That's my other kid. 1.5 years of college (unfortunately enough to make him a Mizzou lunatic). It wasn't for him.

Doing IT...just easy stuff at first like setting up email accounts. Now he's the IT guy in charge of IT for a large law firm. It was like getting paid to go to "college" for those two years. Something broke, he Googled until he knew how to fix it. Copiers. Phone systems.Now he's making million dollar decisions on security devices and outside services. Moving things to the cloud and whatnot.

If your'e not going to college to study nursing...to become a nurse...education to be an educator.....accounting to become and accountant....you get the picture...it ain't worth it.

Certainly not out of state tuition. I think business is a sham these days. When was thr last time kids put on their church suit, borrowed Dad's briefcase, and went out for Halloween as a "business man"?
 


My son is 18 and started an HVAC apprenticeship 2 days after graduation. Was going to run in college and had most of it paid for with scholarships in track + XC but went this route because he decided he would be going for sports instead of school. He's not a sit at a desk kid in any way. Hates it.

Loves his job, free schooling 3 nights a week after work, and within about 4-5 years will make more than I do now.
Many more kids should look at trades. The cost of college now really has to be looked at for the degree one gets and risk of going deeply in debt paying for the education. One has to gauge if it is worth it. It's goteen to that point. The typical debt ratio for college is awful for most. Getting a plumber or HVAC person in a matter of a few days is now virtually impossible. If the contractor is good & honest, this demand only drives up $$$$$.

The value of their service is all on the kind of person they are and work ethic they have and if good. They can control all of that which is a good deal.

I am now self-employed starting a small business and I absolutely luv it. Should have done it years ago. I control all my QC, and everything. No more wasting time at all the meetings just to fulfill a quota or wasting time doing training for HR requirements. Just have to save for taxes.
 


Many more kids should look at trades. The cost of college now really has to be looked at for the degree one gets and risk of going deeply in debt paying for the education. One has to gauge if it is worth it. It's goteen to that point. The typical debt ratio for college is awful for most. Getting a plumber or HVAC person in a matter of a few days is now virtually impossible. If the contractor is good & honest, this demand only drives up $$$$$.

The value of their service is all on the kind of person they are and work ethic they have and if good. They can control all of that which is a good deal.

I am now self-employed starting a small business and I absolutely luv it. Should have done it years ago. I control all my QC, and everything. No more wasting time at all the meetings just to fulfill a quota or wasting time doing training for HR requirements. Just have to save for taxes.
He's doing industrial HVAC stuff on the service side no new construction, etc. Manufacturing plants, churches, schools, hospitals, big buildings. They go somewhere different every day within about an 80 mile radius. Like if a middle school or hospital or whatever calls and says something isn't working he and a journeyman he's paired up with drive there to figure it out and fix it. Yesterday they were working on the roof of one of USD's buildings in Vermillion, and the day before that they were at a manufacturing plant in Cherokee.

He went that route rather than residential because he said he didn't want to be crawling around in people's attics or basements trying to fix and figure out something that a hack job did 50 years ago, and always having people want something done right but cheap. I get it. If you tell someone living pay check to paycheck that their furnace is shot the first reaction is, "How can you cobble it together as cheap as possible?" I've also seen how some people live and there are some nasty, dirty, cat piss-smelling homes out there.

He has his apprenticeship classes a few nights a week right there at his employer's main office and in 3 years he'll have the same licensing as a kid taking HVAC at a community college, plus it's 100% paid for, plus he'll have 3 years OTJ experience. It's a year longer than the CC route, but I guarantee he's getting better experience while he's working and he'll be farther along than a college kid in year 3.

In the next 40 years at least there's never going to not be a need for people to fix that shit. Might be robots in 50 years to do it, but not while he's working age. I'm happy for him and jealous at the same time :)

Really wish I had gone that route myself out of high school. Instead I got a business degree that cost me many thousands of dollars and I work indoors on spreadsheets all day because I thought that's what you did after high school.
 


He's doing industrial HVAC stuff on the service side no new construction, etc. Manufacturing plants, churches, schools, hospitals, big buildings. They go somewhere different every day within about an 80 mile radius. Like if a middle school or hospital or whatever calls and says something isn't working he and a journeyman he's paired up with drive there to figure it out and fix it. Yesterday they were working on the roof of one of USD's buildings in Vermillion, and the day before that they were at a manufacturing plant in Cherokee.

He went that route rather than residential because he said he didn't want to be crawling around in people's attics or basements trying to fix and figure out something that a hack job did 50 years ago, and always having people want something done right but cheap. I get it. If you tell someone living pay check to paycheck that their furnace is shot the first reaction is, "How can you cobble it together as cheap as possible?" I've also seen how some people live and there are some nasty, dirty, cat piss-smelling homes out there.

He has his apprenticeship classes a few nights a week right there at his employer's main office and in 3 years he'll have the same licensing as a kid taking HVAC at a community college, plus it's 100% paid for, plus he'll have 3 years OTJ experience. It's a year longer than the CC route, but I guarantee he's getting better experience while he's working and he'll be farther along than a college kid in year 3.

In the next 40 years at least there's never going to not be a need for people to fix that shit. Might be robots in 50 years to do it, but not while he's working age. I'm happy for him and jealous at the same time :)

Really wish I had gone that route myself out of high school. Instead I got a business degree that cost me many thousands of dollars and I work indoors on spreadsheets all day because I thought that's what you did after high school.
Good for him man. Seems to have his head right on his shoulders and I like how thinks this stuff through. I also agree that robots will never be able to provide these services, at least now for a billion years. Robots run on 1 or 0's. They are programmed. You can program something for a specific task but there is still decision making with many jobs.

Prob good move going industrial. The apprenticeships are a good deal and more should do them. I know of a young guy where I live after he graduated doing an electrical apprenticeship. Just not having that debt after learning a trade is so valuable. Imagine not having that debt hanging over your head and being able to take off on a career clean free ready to build wealth. Damn!
 




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