Those Hawkeye fans who hate the offense

[InGoodCo]

2015 was more the year that it worked because CJB gave us that added boost of being able to scramble, and hit the deep pass (when it was called).

In 2016 we lost that player who could go over the top, and Kittles wasn't healthy. Throw in CJB getting dinged up, and teams knew they could sell out for the run.

This is the blueprint against Iowa, and will be until NS is able to hit those deep passes. He needs protection too, but he's missed nearly every bomb he's thrown this year. We notice, so D1 coaches notice.

It does seem worse this year because of having the inexperience at QB, and KF is gonna go even more conservative until he absolutely cannot anymore.

Agree 100%, it's not all on the Oline - though they're guilty too.

 

[Ben Rumson]

This is a point that those who criticize the critics miss. Our RB and O Linemen are getting crushed. It's not talent, its scheme and how the other team can read it. It's been going on a long time, but gotten worse this year. It will lead to more injuries. For those that disagree, break it down and show me where I'm wrong.

If you have a QB who can't deal with the blitz, change the routes. Change to a power running game. Change QBs or recruit different types of QBs. I personally thing Stanley can hit the open guy but they are changing him to throw over the Line first to avoid the interception too much.

I agree totally, we have the talent on o-line. But when the competition knows your schemes that we've run for twenty years....Well we know what the result is.

 

[InGoodCo]

For those keeping score at home. Iowa Oline woes this season are because of the same schemes that we've ran for 20 years. In 2016, when Iowa had 2 thousand yard rushers with the same scheme, it was because a one wheeled hobbled QB who threw for under 2000 yards could go deep. In 2015 when it worked, it was because we didn't play anyone. In 2008 when we had a Doak Walker Award winner it was because I'm a mermaid.

 

[westender]

I agree totally, we have the talent on o-line. But when the competition knows your schemes that we've run for twenty years....Well we know what the result is.

So which other teams that have had the same coach do you see just doing major overhauls of the offense every few years? Our O line has had to move around and is new and we still almost won the last 2 games and almost were 4 - 0. Yeah you could also say we almost lost the Iowa State game, but that one was not so much a game with an offense problem (at least by the second half).

 

[westender]

This is a point that those who criticize the critics miss. Our RB and O Linemen are getting crushed. It's not talent, its scheme and how the other team can read it. It's been going on a long time, but gotten worse this year. It will lead to more injuries. For those that disagree, break it down and show me where I'm wrong.

If you have a QB who can't deal with the blitz, change the routes. Change to a power running game. Change QBs or recruit different types of QBs. I personally thing Stanley can hit the open guy but they are changing him to throw over the Line first to avoid the interception too much.

So it worked magically last year producing 2 RBs with 1,000 yards when our pass game was susceptible, but now this whole scheme is just garbage???

 

[westender]

I get it, I just don't get what's different then last year when we insisted on running into 8+ man fronts.... or the previous 17 years before that. Could be something with having a rookie at QB, having a less then ideal Punter and poor field position to maybe. Maybe also that whole injury thing and starting one RS Frosh a true one out there too. It's just not a finished product at this point, and again - PSU and MSU have pretty good D's.

And we still nearly won both of those games, but if you read most of these posts you would think we got crushed and should just abandon everything we are doing.

 

[Ben Rumson]

So which other teams that have had the same coach do you see just doing major overhauls of the offense every few years? Our O line has had to move around and is new and we still almost won the last 2 games and almost were 4 - 0. Yeah you could also say we almost lost the Iowa State game, but that one was not so much a game with an offense problem (at least by the second half).

I don't believe we need a major overhaul. Tweak it a little and don't be so damn predictable and I'm not real impressed with with the new O-line coach so far.

 

[westender]

NTSU and Wyoming are both going bowling. Not that that makes them a good team, it just means, they were better then a lot of other teams loaded up on to start the year. ISU will take a miracle.

I just love the hand wringing over the Oline when Iowa has one of the best OL minds in the game - they won the Joe Moore award last season and lost Ike and are now playing Freshman extended snaps. They also struggled against 2 of the better defenses in the B1G.

We basically lost both Tackles. Even though Boone is in at Guard sometimes, someone else is out there now playing tackle and sort of learning on the fly. I don't think most positions are so simple you can have it all figured out in 5 games, and also the guys across from you may have been starting on their respective defenses for many more games than you.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

For those keeping score at home. Iowa Oline woes this season are because of the same schemes that we've ran for 20 years. In 2016, when Iowa had 2 thousand yard rushers with the same scheme, it was because a one wheeled hobbled QB who threw for under 2000 yards could go deep. In 2015 when it worked, it was because we didn't play anyone. In 2008 when we had a Doak Walker Award winner it was because I'm a mermaid.

This made me spit water...well played..

 

[HawkGold]

NTSU and Wyoming are both going bowling. Not that that makes them a good team, it just means, they were better then a lot of other teams loaded up on to start the year. ISU will take a miracle.

I just love the hand wringing over the Oline when Iowa has one of the best OL minds in the game - they won the Joe Moore award last season and lost Ike and are now playing Freshman extended snaps. They also struggled against 2 of the better defenses in the B1G.

All valid points. Not sure about Wyoming though. It i

So it worked magically last year producing 2 RBs with 1,000 yards when our pass game was susceptible, but now this whole scheme is just garbage???

It is a different scheme. That is easy to see. Last year the passing game was not good.

 

[HomerChampless]

I don't believe we need a major overhaul. Tweak it a little and don't be so damn predictable and I'm not real impressed with with the new O-line coach so far.

That's not KF's style, though. He's not a scratch where is itches kinda guy, He a system kinda guy concerned with execution. Good for consistency. Bad for reactions to opponents' schemes and, on the oft occasion, fooling the other team.

 

[HawkGold]

That's not KF's style, though. He's not a scratch where is itches kinda guy, He a system kinda guy concerned with execution. Good for consistency. Bad for reactions to opponents' schemes and, on the oft occasion, fooling the other team.

As I read your post, I got to thinking (my first mistake). I beginning to question whether or not the execution emphasis is simply smoke. Think about it, doesn't a team sending 4 out wide need to execute? Doesn't a power running game need to execute? Doesn't a punting team have to execute?

In the end, KF is a conservative coach. It's not about "execution" any more than any other team. He runs a simply conservative offense that in many years struggles to execute early in the year. As conservative as the team is, if it was about the need to execute, they would do it. The years where KF was at his best was when teams didn't "execute" on offense all that well. He had qb's who could ad lib and do it well. They went off the "execute" script.

Brad Banks
Tate
Stanzi
CJ

The years where "execution" QBs were there it didn't work so well.

McCann
JC
JR

The question is "what kind of QB is Stanley". It seems he is a guy who knows how to go off script but his trying his best to be what KF wants him to be. JR you could tell wanted to be that, but it just didn't work well.

We now have an OC who is exactly what KF wants. Ya'll really think it will ever work?

When were we successful with an execution QB under KF? I mean among the best years?

 

[HomerChampless]

As I read your post, I got to thinking (my first mistake). I beginning to question whether or not the execution emphasis is simply smoke. Think about it, doesn't a team sending 4 out wide need to execute? Doesn't a power running game need to execute? Doesn't a punting team have to execute?

In the end, KF is a conservative coach. It's not about "execution" any more than any other team. He runs a simply conservative offense that in many years struggles to execute early in the year. As conservative as the team is, if it was about the need to execute, they would do it. The years where KF was at his best was when teams didn't "execute" on offense all that well. He had qb's who could ad lib and do it well. They went off the "execute" script.

Brad Banks
Tate
Stanzi
CJ

The years where "execution" QBs were there it didn't work so well.

McCann
JC
JR

The question is "what kind of QB is Stanley". It seems he is a guy who knows how to go off script but his trying his best to be what KF wants him to be. JR you could tell wanted to be that, but it just didn't work well.

We now have an OC who is exactly what KF wants. Ya'll really think it will ever work?

When were we successful with an execution QB under KF? I mean among the best years?

Good ideas. You've meandered into critiquing Iowa's QBs so I will continue doing so. Why not use the comparison of recent QBs Beathard and Rudock, for instance? For sure, any HC or OC treasures QBs that are familiar with the playbook and Rudock was, of the two, clearly more familiar with the playbook, at first. On a side note, I remember the fan base using the 'doesn't know the playbook' excuse even into CJ's redshirt sophomore season as one reason for starting Jake which, to me, wasn't true as CJ got his mop up snaps in games.

Of the two, CJ was clearly the better QB if one compares running and passing (and equal in turnover rates) yet CJ and his family, basically, had to put a gun to KF's head to start him. Was that because CJ (and Davis) wanted to run the read option on occasion and KF would have no part of that because the read option isn't structured and foreign to KF's sensibilities on offense? On a side note, that was also one of the reasons for the rocky relationship between KF and Davis. On another side note, one of the reasons why there was such a rocky relationship between Davis and the fan base was because Davis 'passed too much' and was unconventional KF-run-first offense, at times. Ironically, Rudock drifted into more of a passing game and less a run-first offense. Shame on Davis, right?

I'm rambling. Tate was another unconventional Iowa QB KF endured for many years. Banks another. When KF has his way, we see his preference of QB and offense. It's not Tate. It's not Banks. It's not Beathard.

One of the first real game-day breaks that I can remember between KF and OC occurred between KF and KOK after the Iowa win against Pittsburgh in 2011 where Iowa played no-huddle for most of the second half. KOK wanted more of the no-huddle after Pitt. Fans wanted more of the no-huddle after Pitt. KF intimated there would be more no-huddle after Pitt. There were smatterings of no-huddle after Pitt. Finally, KF announced at a press conference there would be no more no-huddle. And, well, we know KF is an offensive genius, right?
KOK left Iowa for the Miami Dolphins soon thereafter.

What does all this mean? That there is no specific game planning for offense or defense, really. That KF is wed to structure, to execution. That KF thinks structure and execution will win out over specific game planning against teams..

 

[PCHawk]

Good ideas. You've meandered into critiquing Iowa's QBs so I will continue doing so. Why not use the comparison of recent QBs Beathard and Rudock, for instance? For sure, any HC or OC treasures QBs that are familiar with the playbook and Rudock was, of the two, clearly more familiar with the playbook, at first. On a side note, I remember the fan base using the 'doesn't know the playbook' excuse even into CJ's redshirt sophomore season as one reason for starting Jake which, to me, wasn't true as CJ got his mop up snaps in games.

Of the two, CJ was clearly the better QB if one compares running and passing (and equal in turnover rates) yet CJ and his family, basically, had to put a gun to KF's head to start him. Was that because CJ (and Davis) wanted to run the read option on occasion and KF would have no part of that because the read option isn't structured and foreign to KF's sensibilities on offense? On a side note, that was also one of the reasons for the rocky relationship between KF and Davis. On another side note, one of the reasons why there was such a rocky relationship between Davis and the fan base was because Davis 'passed too much' and was unconventional KF-run-first offense, at times. Ironically, Rudock drifted into more of a passing game and less a run-first offense. Shame on Davis, right?

I'm rambling. Tate was another unconventional Iowa QB KF endured for many years. Banks another. When KF has his way, we see his preference of QB and offense. It's not Tate. It's not Banks. It's not Beathard.

One of the first real game-day breaks that I can remember between KF and OC occurred between KF and KOK after the Iowa win against Pittsburgh in 2011 where Iowa played no-huddle for most of the second half. KOK wanted more of the no-huddle after Pitt. Fans wanted more of the no-huddle after Pitt. KF intimated there would be more no-huddle after Pitt. There were smatterings of no-huddle after Pitt. Finally, KF announced at a press conference there would be no more no-huddle. And, well, we know KF is an offensive genius, right?
KOK left Iowa for the Miami Dolphins soon thereafter.

What does all this mean? That there is no specific game planning for offense or defense, really. That KF is wed to structure, to execution. That KF thinks structure and execution will win out over specific game planning against teams..

It is sooo much easier to move the ball in hurry up mode. Letting the defense have time to see how you set up and think about what you're going to run before the snap gives them an advantage.