The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa
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GhostofBTT
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Tell 'em HERBy
Billso
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Chatted with Abdul last month, and he agrees. He was surprised and disappointed that we got away from recruiting South Florida. Obviously those guys would be great advocates for us. He remains very much a Ferentz fan, as nearly all former players are, but is concerned.
Our 2010 class was ranked 45 by Scout; 2011 was better, ranked 25. I'm with the group who feels we paid the piper this year for the poor classes of 2008-09 and poor retention of same.
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You need to realize that those "certain posters" want Iowa to recruit JUCO's who are going to make an immediate impact. For example like K-State or Auburn with Cam Netwon and Nick Fairley. In regards to Iowa, Powell may or may not come in and play right away, you or I don't know for sure. That won't be seen until next year. Everyone needs to relax, recruiting doesn't matter until that player is on the field. You can quote HS and JUCO stats and the player's measureables but they don't matter until they produce on the field. Yes, it is in indicator of what they might be capable of but that is a huge MIGHT.
Too many people/fans focus on recruiting in the wrong way, right now the coaching staff has to make an evaluation of a player in HS or at JUCO level decide if they will make the leap to the next level and fit their program. Most of the time recruiting doesn't show its true dividends until the player is later in his career and has shown what he was able to actually do on the field.
As for the star ratings by recruiting services I believe I read on scout or rivals they were based on evaluation of what the player might do at the next leave following similar as the below:
5* immediate starter on BCS level could possibly ready for NFL from measurables and technique.
4* possible starter right away at BCS /not NFL ready YET slightly undersized for NFL or technique needs work.
3* posible starter within 1-2 years at BCS, right away if takes to play book/team strategies / solid contributor for most of career
2* or lower usually considered FCS or lower prospect.
Obviously there are many things that go way past those things like work ethic, coaching, injuries, etc... Things like this cause walk-ons and 2 star guys to shine and move past the 4-5 star busts.
I think you defend this Iowa team based on what Iowa has now and is bring in as far as recruiting but until they are on the field, you need to relax so does everyone who knocks the players as well. But in recruiting odds are against the players that they are going to really contribute and be successful and make their program win and move onto the next level.
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ILHawk
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Iowa pretty much ignores Iowa anymore. Maybe a reason why players don't care? Why are they here?
I think people get too excited about recruits, commits and freshman players (myself included), heck even kids who have been in the program for a few years. Look at Vandenberg before GD was here. He had 3k yards, 25 TD, 7 INT in his 4th year as a JR. Alot of people were excited that he would have an even bigger year this year. Anything can happen from change of assistants, schemes, injuries all the way to lack of effort.
Ferentz is going to play whoever plays smart football, regardless of talent level. I think alot of the younger kids want to come in and play out of their minds and lay the big hit, or make the big play (interceptions) but they get caught out of position. Ferentz wants everyone to play their correct assignments. The problem is when less talented kids win the jobs because of this that is when the team seems to be screwed.
Iowa seems to be running out of diamonds in the rough (walk-ons, 2* kids) who excel in the system and if they have a 4* or 3* guy who gets hurts/busts or whatever you want to call it, it really hurts the team.
Someone said in another thread that Iowa can't afford to be picky, well that is where he was wrong. If they aren't picky and just give anyone a scholarship the problems we all saw this year will keep happening.
thejumper5
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Here's a graph of 2014 Big Ten recruiting so far. The bright color is the total offers each school has issued, according to Rivals. The darker gray is the number issued to players in the Rivals250. The lighter gray is the number issued to players from Ohio, the top high school football state in Big Ten country.
imported_ankle23
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don't inject logic into these discussions. people like to blame - it is much easier.
imported_ankle23
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it's almost just the opposite. they have to be picky in certain regards - they need guys to stay and be productive 4/5 years. remember some years iowa wasn't too picky and took a lot of guys form a certain school in ohio, for example?
Think that the staff got surprised by those guys. But whatever, recruiting has been poor for many years and we are seeing the results. I don't think this years' freshman are overall too helpful though one hopes that there is some WR help there. Maybe LB as well in a couple of years.
