The Only Way This Mess Can End Well.

[dahlhawk]

There is only one way that this can possibly end well or in the best way. We all know that KF is not going to fire Brian. No way. The only way Iowa can possibly move on from this is if Brian announces he will be stepping down from the OC position at the end of the season. Is he man enough to do that to help save his father's legacy? That is the question. It's the unselfish thing to do. That's what it comes down to.

This program is going to be known for nepotism and Brian being in the wrong position, with Kirk supporting it. Is that how it is going to end? Boy, no doubt that KF is in a horrible situation, because of the decisions he made regarding having family on staff and in such a high profile position as the OC.

Again, would Brian step down at the end of the season?

KF has the keys to the car, like he always has, but Brian controls the path to Kirk's legacy at Iowa.

I don't think Brian has to the end of the season. Iowa will have to beat OSU or nearly do so to stop the heat.

 

[dahlhawk]

Dude, this guy lived in Section 8 housing when he was in college while his old man was earning close to $4 million per annum. To attribute any sort of normal morality or self awareness to him is pretty hard.

Cuz Kirk made money doesn't mean he game any of it to Brian. Kirk is probable old school about that.

 

[dahlhawk]

What a dynamic situation as it brings in the personal relationships to this whole thingy. What are future Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays going to be like? Sure, they would be cordial but it would always be known that dad and Grandpa Kirk had to fire son back in the day.

I've thought about the bold as well. It's Barta's responsibility to do what is best for the University of Iowa sports programs and university. That is and should be his interest. Now will he have the kohonas or balls to do it? Actually, he might be doing KF a favor in going into his office and stating... "Kirk, we really need to make a change at OC. I know he is your son and it's difficult but.................". This way KF can feel that admin made a call and might help preserve that personal relationship aspect. That might be the best move. But, I'm not sure Barta has the balls or spine.

Man, you can't make this shit up. Like a made for TV movie...........this shit!

Kirk will retire if that's how it goes down. Did you see his reaction just to mere mentioning of a coaching change in-season? Thought he was going to take scalps.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

Dude, this guy lived in Section 8 housing when he was in college while his old man was earning close to $4 million per annum. To attribute any sort of normal morality or self awareness to him is pretty hard.

I suspect that Brian ate paint chips off those Section 8 housing walls....thus the reverse play.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

Maybe we can have matched pairs to solve this whole situation....and the winner gets crucified outside of Kinnick Stadium.

 

[HawksMN]

It is definitely clear at this point that last year was an anomaly. Yea, they won 10 games but it was largely due to the defense, and in particular, the NCAA leading INT's and returns for TD's. Without that, Iowa would be lucky to be 7-5, IMO. The offensive woes were masked last year, and they have come to the surface this season. No way was Iowa going to be able to sustain that turnover production on defense.

Iowa does have a reputation, for their very good seasons like 15 and 21 for example, of 'lucking' into those said seasons. Fans are looking for an 02 type situation where our Hawks PUNISH people and take names!

 

[Hawkeye/swish]

I actually dont think the problem will be fixed by getting rid of Brian. KF will replace him with somebody willing to run the offense Kirk wants to run. We need to get rid of Kirk. He is the common denominator in the last 20+ years of offensive woes.

Stoops, Stoops, Stoops!

I agree.. any OC hired is just going to run what KF wants.. Fire KF, but GB doesn't have the balls + I don't know he has 5 names in his desk that he could call, or would they would even pic up?

 

[Fryowa]

I agree.. any OC hired is just going to run what KF wants.. Fire KF, but GB doesn't have the balls + I don't know he has 5 names in his desk that he could call, or would they would even pic up?

Doesn’t matter if Farta has the balls or not. He doesn’t make those decisions. Boosters do.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I don't think Brian has to the end of the season. Iowa will have to beat OSU or nearly do so to stop the heat.

I don't think that is the case though. I don't think OSU is the threshold or bar. Nobody is expecting to go in there an win, or even perform well. I think the writing is already on the wall and the telling story will be the first game after OSU or 2nd since Brian is family.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Kirk will retire if that's how it goes down. Did you see his reaction just to mere mentioning of a coaching change in-season? Thought he was going to take scalps.

Yea, he seems a little stressed, doesn't he?

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Iowa does have a reputation, for their very good seasons like 15 and 21 for example, of 'lucking' into those said seasons. Fans are looking for an 02 type situation where our Hawks PUNISH people and take names!

Could you image the "02" offense being paired with the 2021 or 2022 defense. YES!

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I wouldn't mind seeing Chryst as our OC. Or, as Guffus pointed out, possible Budmayr. Both have backgrounds with a similar offensive philosophy and Kirk wouldn't have to be seen as trying to reinvent the wheel, which he wouldn't care for. A new set of experienced eyes, even with a similar offense, could go a long way to putting us back on track.

You summed up what I was thinking perfectly.

 

[kicker22]

Tbh if I see any different face at OC I'm totally on board. Whether KF is calling the shots or not on the offensive side of the ball is irrelevant to me. The fact is BF had no reason to be in that position in the first place, let alone any reason to still be there. Can a coach experiment with a position? Absolutely, but better be damn sure it's a success when family is involved and has to be willing to make rash decisions when its an utter failure.

Regardless of whether I agree with him, I think KF is still committed to winning football games and believes in this group. By demoting wonder boy and replacing him as OC IMO shows that its still about winning football games. He can protect BF and maintain his legacy simply by owning up to the fact that putting him at OC was a mistake. Whether BF is running KF's offense or not the fanbase will stand behind KF if he goes with a new OC. IMO it's not the struggling of the offense that is the issue, but rather the fact that the face of the offense has absolutely no reason being in that position when there are thousands of others who could get the same results. And I say thousands of others simply because it doesn't take any skill whatsoever to be one of the worst offenses in the country. With no experience I could simply let a QB (Petras or anyone else) call the shots and get essentially the same results.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Tbh if I see any different face at OC I'm totally on board. Whether KF is calling the shots or not on the offensive side of the ball is irrelevant to me. The fact is BF had no reason to be in that position in the first place, let alone any reason to still be there. Can a coach experiment with a position? Absolutely, but better be damn sure it's a success when family is involved and has to be willing to make rash decisions when its an utter failure.

Regardless of whether I agree with him, I think KF is still committed to winning football games and believes in this group. By demoting wonder boy and replacing him as OC IMO shows that its still about winning football games. He can protect BF and maintain his legacy simply by owning up to the fact that putting him at OC was a mistake. Whether BF is running KF's offense or not the fanbase will stand behind KF if he goes with a new OC. IMO it's not the struggling of the offense that is the issue, but rather the fact that the face of the offense has absolutely no reason being in that position when there are thousands of others who could get the same results. And I say thousands of others simply because it doesn't take any skill whatsoever to be one of the worst offenses in the country. With no experience I could simply let a QB (Petras or anyone else) call the shots and get essentially the same results.

Damn, when you put it like that, it excites me thinking I could be a D1 FBS football coach!!

Valid point. Lol when you think about it. You can literally put anybody else in that position and get the same result. LOL! I guess that's when you know you have to make a change. If you don't you have blinders on or you own agenda.

 

[kicker22]

Damn, when you put it like that, it excites me thinking I could be a D1 FBS football coach!!

Valid point. Lol when you think about it. You can literally put anybody else in that position and get the same result. LOL! I guess that's when you know you have to make a change. If you don't you have blinders on or you own agenda.

I mean in all seriousness, were not talking middle of the pack were talking amongst the worst nationwide. As I said I'm nothing more than a fan, but I'd venture to say the players themselves could run the show just as efficiently without an OC.

 

[HawkGold]

In my profession, I have to deal a lot with family dynamics. Dad's typically in big jobs in the family businesses UNDER ESTIMATE the "boy" and his ability. As a result, the son is never allowed to grow up and takes severe control. But the dad typically doesn't let the son flail around in lack of success either w/o taking extreme control. Sometimes Dad will throw out subtle insults at the son and the lack of ability to others.

This shows up in the dislike of the dad by the son. Family business dads oft hate to let go and there is an underlying fear that the son may in fact do better than the dad.

The other dynamics contain the following:
A. 2nd son is really resentful when 1st son gets the inside track to the family business.
B. Mom is unpredictable. She sees the dynamics and has a lot of quiet control in her ability to make life interesting on the home front. She especially respects the feelings of her "baby" son.
C. Son oft doesn't really want to be in the family business and can be very passive-aggressive in showing dissatisfaction. Dad will force the son to cooperate on something he really doesn't want. Maybe the son likes the business but doesn't know how to get out of the "family business".
D. More oft than one might think the situation eventually blows up.
E. A very prideful dad can try and force his will on the family.
F. The main son involved actually ends up being a 40 something your old who will soon take over but is delayed in maturity.


What I am speaking of largely is largely true in farm families, but also in successful business families in general.

Whatever it is, nothing really makes sense unless one applies less-than-perfect family dynamics. The answer may be more human than we realize.

Final thought, it can be hell to be a non-family member in the middle of a conflicted family business. We as fans forget those we admire are just as human and dysfunctional as the rest of us.

 

[kicker22]

In my profession, I have to deal a lot with family dynamics. Dad's typically in big jobs in the family businesses UNDER ESTIMATE the "boy" and his ability. As a result, the son is never allowed to grow up and takes severe control. But the dad typically doesn't let the son flail around in lack of success either w/o taking extreme control. Sometimes Dad will throw out subtle insults at the son and the lack of ability to others.

This shows up in the dislike of the dad by the son. Family business dads oft hate to let go and there is an underlying fear that the son may in fact do better than the dad.

The other dynamics contain the following:
A. 2nd son is really resentful when 1st son gets the inside track to the family business.
B. Mom is unpredictable. She sees the dynamics and has a lot of quiet control in her ability to make life interesting on the home front. She especially respects the feelings of her "baby" son.
C. Son oft doesn't really want to be in the family business and can be very passive-aggressive in showing dissatisfaction. Dad will force the son to cooperate on something he really doesn't want. Maybe the son likes the business but doesn't know how to get out of the "family business".
D. More oft than one might think the situation eventually blows up.
E. A very prideful dad can try and force his will on the family.
F. The main son involved actually ends up being a 40 something your old who will soon take over but is delayed in maturity.


What I am speaking of largely is largely true in farm families, but also in successful business families in general.

Whatever it is, nothing really makes sense unless one applies less-than-perfect family dynamics. The answer may be more human than we realize.

Final thought, it can be hell to be a non-family member in the middle of a conflicted family business.

Well thought out. My thoughts in this situation. Keep family out of business or more directly KF could have helped BF down the coaching path through peers and connections without having to bring him on to his staff. It's one thing to want to spend time with your kids and give them opportunities, but its another to gamble and put them in a position in which they could fail or are in way over their heads.

 

[dagdaj]

In my profession, I have to deal a lot with family dynamics.

Nearly 25 years ago, my 3 brothers and I bought my father's manufacturing business. I lived in Iowa. My middle brother lived in New York. And my oldest brother left his corporate sales job to take over. 15 years ago, I left my corporate tech job in Des Moines to move back to STL and help my brother operate the business. 5 years ago, we bought out my middle brother (at his suggestion) and we all walked away as happy as possible with the deal.

We are very fortunate. Sure there's been some head butting at times. Mostly over little stuff. And we're used to it. We're a head butting family....over meaningless stuff. Like was it 1983 that we stayed in a hotel in Gary, IN on the way to Michigan or was it 1984? We'll fight over stuff like that. Dad would bitch about tools being out of place and stuff. But we could all work on an engineering project together and wind up with everyone being happy with the result. Even if we clapped back and forth quite a bit.

I can tell you we're outliers. Your assumption that family run ag businesses are just like any other businesses are spot on. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count all the other family businesses we've dealt with explode. We've got one tool maker who's very similar to our company. Except the son who's taken over is the only one who wanted to. The others wouldn't touch it if their life depended on it.

 

[Robowe]

This same scenario (or close to it) played out at Kansas State just a few years ago. Bill Snyder was going to retire (for a 2nd time) and wanted his son to take over - he even said those words out loud. And his son, Sean was not even OC or DC (he was Special Teams Coordinator).

This battle had some other factors, but, eventually, the program went away from the kid. And Kansas State has come out the other side (so far). This will be interesting.

A battle rages at Kansas State over whether Bill Snyder's son will be his successor

Sean Snyder has spent more time with the Wildcats than his father, but his elevation is not a given

www.cbssports.com

 

[earlkoppelman]

Doesn’t matter if Farta has the balls or not. He doesn’t make those decisions. Boosters do.

100% Correct, Gold/Power makes the "Rules.. Hawk Players especially O-line Waay cool.Needed a portal transfer or 2. Would have Helped no? Go Hawks...