The movie "Dont Look Up"; Discussion for those who have watched; spoiler alerts

okeefe4prez

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There's got to be some people out there that happen to know a lot of people who have died from/with covid. Huck must be one of them. It's the only logical reason he thinks what he does about covid. I guess there is an illogical reason. He gets his info from social media and the news instead of looking around for the last 2 years.

Nah, there's a logical reason for CuckFinn to think that way. It is rather simple. He's a retired leftist boomer who watches CNN all the time and will believe literally anything he sees on CNN. CNN is the most trusted name in news, ya know.

CuckFinn is the kind of guy who they make fear porn for. The harder they crank up the fear, the more he watches. He just has to see how bad it gets. At some point, even normies can conclude that the patterns that they see in reality do not comport with the fear porn, but the most ardent leftists (and rightwingers) cannot disconnect. And the source pushing the fear porn can never admit they were wrong. Their institutional credibility is on the line.

You are watching in real time as The Party grapples with The Ministry of Truth losing control of the narrative.
 

Fryowa

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Correct. The statistics used to calculate the IFR of The Germ have been dramatically skewed since the outset. As I noted back in January in this very thread, the data is absolute shit: The movie "Dont Look Up"; Discussion for those who have watched; spoiler alerts | Page 2 | HawkeyeNation.com Forum

As I noted on March 19, 2020, the Chinese were absolutely full of shit when they tried to tell us the IFR was 3 thousand some over 80,000. Are you personally worried about getting the Coronavirus? | Page 14 | HawkeyeNation.com Forum

Why are the statistics skewed? Well, they are skewed in part because a provision of the CARES Act specifically authorizes a 20% payment bump for Medicare patients with COVID. Medicare is the largest insurer and covers far and away the majority of people with the greatest known comorbidity factor, which is advanced age. If you don't believe me, look it up, it is Section 3710. There's also something in there that gets the uninsured coverage for COVID. So the hospitals have every incentive in the world to goose the shit out of their COVID numbers.
Sanford Health, the biggest provider in our area with a radius of like 500 miles, has an unwritten policy to their staff that any death of anyone who has tested positive for covid, gets covid as a cause of death. It's literally free extra money. A teacher in my town who weighed 4 hundo had a massive heart attack and croaked. Got tested AFTER DYING and was positive...Cause of death? Covid 19. His wife is a very rational and level-headed person and made a huge deal of it and how it was bullshit. The hospital knows it would take tens of thousands of dollars in litigation to prove otherwise and they know no one will call them out in a legal setting because it'd take years and empty their bank accounts. I have friends whose wives are nurses and they are directed by admin to count any and all deaths associated with a positive case as a covid death no matter what.

One of these nurses works in the ER here in town and asked the administrator, "What if someone comes in from a car crash decapitated and tests positive for covid?" He stared at her for a second and walked away. They both knew the answer.

And that's just in a town of a few thousand. It's not just us, it's every hospital in the country doing this for the cash.
 

okeefe4prez

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Sanford Health, the biggest provider in our area with a radius of like 500 miles, has an unwritten policy to their doctors that any death of anyone who has tested positive for covid, gets covid as a cause of death. It's literally free extra money. A teacher in my town who weighed 4 hundo had a massive heart attack and croaked. Got tested AFTER DYING and was positive...Cause of death? Covid 19. His wife is a very rational and level-headed person and made a huge deal of it and how it was bullshit. I have friends whose wives are nurses and they are directed by admin to count any and all deaths associated with a positive case as a covid death no matter what.

One of these nurses works in the ER here in town and asked the administrator, "What if someone comes in from a car crash decapitated and tests positive for covid?" He stared at her for a second and walked away. They both knew the answer.

And that's just in a town of a few thousand. It's not just us, it's every hospital in the country doing this for the cash.

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Fucking horrible. But people will respond to incentives. Those hospitals have big overhead and when you shut down all electives for a fucking year they're gonna do what they need to survive. I get it.
 

HuckFinn

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Sanford Health, the biggest provider in our area with a radius of like 500 miles, has an unwritten policy to their staff that any death of anyone who has tested positive for covid, gets covid as a cause of death. It's literally free extra money. A teacher in my town who weighed 4 hundo had a massive heart attack and croaked. Got tested AFTER DYING and was positive...Cause of death? Covid 19. His wife is a very rational and level-headed person and made a huge deal of it and how it was bullshit. The hospital knows it would take tens of thousands of dollars in litigation to prove otherwise and they know no one will call them out in a legal setting because it'd take years and empty their bank accounts. I have friends whose wives are nurses and they are directed by admin to count any and all deaths associated with a positive case as a covid death no matter what.

One of these nurses works in the ER here in town and asked the administrator, "What if someone comes in from a car crash decapitated and tests positive for covid?" He stared at her for a second and walked away. They both knew the answer.

And that's just in a town of a few thousand. It's not just us, it's every hospital in the country doing this for the cash.
Fact Check: "People claim death numbers are being inflated so hospitals get more money. Potter says that's not true for two reasons.
The first, Potter says that the 20% add on from the Cares Act is only for services provided, not deaths. In actual dollar amounts, Potter says the 20% payment averages out to be around $35,000 per patient ON A Ventilator. (my emphasis).
Potter says the second reason it's not true is because of checks and balances.
If somebody knowingly alters the medical record, which would then create this bill I think is being alleged here...That would be caught through audit. And if that occurred, you would be prosecuted and there are huge penalties.
There's no pressure on the physician to say covid , we're going to get paid more if you have covid, Dr. Mead said.

The CARES act is implemented through Medicare only.

The resource for the above is Fox News. January 6, 2021. I mention that the information comes from Fox News so that should increase the credibility, fair and balanced.
 
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HuckFinn

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Sanford Health, the biggest provider in our area with a radius of like 500 miles, has an unwritten policy to their staff that any death of anyone who has tested positive for covid, gets covid as a cause of death. It's literally free extra money. A teacher in my town who weighed 4 hundo had a massive heart attack and croaked. Got tested AFTER DYING and was positive...Cause of death? Covid 19. His wife is a very rational and level-headed person and made a huge deal of it and how it was bullshit. The hospital knows it would take tens of thousands of dollars in litigation to prove otherwise and they know no one will call them out in a legal setting because it'd take years and empty their bank accounts. I have friends whose wives are nurses and they are directed by admin to count any and all deaths associated with a positive case as a covid death no matter what.

One of these nurses works in the ER here in town and asked the administrator, "What if someone comes in from a car crash decapitated and tests positive for covid?" He stared at her for a second and walked away. They both knew the answer.

And that's just in a town of a few thousand. It's not just us, it's every hospital in the country doing this for the cash.
In addition to the fact check I provided, there is a mountain of information explaining how the cause of death surrounding the covid pandemic is calculated. I read through the reports rather thoroughly and would encourage you and others to do the same. You will find out that some wild theory about counting deaths from covid inappropriately is largely a myth.
 

HuckFinn

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Dear O'K and PC. I have you on ignore. However, I just checked a couple of your posts in this thread where you made outlandish accusations about my politics, my favorite news sources, that I live in fear of Covid in excess, that I am a "boomer", and that I am retired.
You got the boomer and the retired right. The rest of it, which you state as cold hard facts, from your usual arrogant, all-knowing ability to read minds perspective, is pure bull shit.
I put the two of you on ignore because your posts too often were bigoted rants filled with straight out lies. OK. Back to ignore.
 

PCHawk

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Isn't it openly admitted by everyone now that every single death "with covid" is counted as a covid death? I also heard that they are looking into changing how they do that. 2 years later.
 

PCHawk

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I would never not want to see opinions that are different than mine. I assume Huck is leading the charge on canceling Rogan too.
 

PCHawk

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Sanford Health, the biggest provider in our area with a radius of like 500 miles, has an unwritten policy to their staff that any death of anyone who has tested positive for covid, gets covid as a cause of death. It's literally free extra money. A teacher in my town who weighed 4 hundo had a massive heart attack and croaked. Got tested AFTER DYING and was positive...Cause of death? Covid 19. His wife is a very rational and level-headed person and made a huge deal of it and how it was bullshit. The hospital knows it would take tens of thousands of dollars in litigation to prove otherwise and they know no one will call them out in a legal setting because it'd take years and empty their bank accounts. I have friends whose wives are nurses and they are directed by admin to count any and all deaths associated with a positive case as a covid death no matter what.

One of these nurses works in the ER here in town and asked the administrator, "What if someone comes in from a car crash decapitated and tests positive for covid?" He stared at her for a second and walked away. They both knew the answer.

And that's just in a town of a few thousand. It's not just us, it's every hospital in the country doing this for the cash.
I've talked to a few people that work in hospitals in Des Moines and none of them care about covid.
 

PCHawk

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Nah, there's a logical reason for CuckFinn to think that way. It is rather simple. He's a retired leftist boomer who watches CNN all the time and will believe literally anything he sees on CNN. CNN is the most trusted name in news, ya know.

CuckFinn is the kind of guy who they make fear porn for. The harder they crank up the fear, the more he watches. He just has to see how bad it gets. At some point, even normies can conclude that the patterns that they see in reality do not comport with the fear porn, but the most ardent leftists (and rightwingers) cannot disconnect. And the source pushing the fear porn can never admit they were wrong. Their institutional credibility is on the line.

You are watching in real time as The Party grapples with The Ministry of Truth losing control of the narrative.
It just doesn't conpute to me that someone can be living this pandemic for 2 years and still care at all what any news source says. We needed the news in the beginning because that's all we had to go off of. No so much anymore.
 
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Fryowa

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Fact Check: "People claim death numbers are being inflated so hospitals get more money. Potter says that's not true for two reasons.
The first, Potter says that the 20% add on from the Cares Act is only for services provided, not deaths. In actual dollar amounts, Potter says the 20% payment averages out to be around $35,000 per patient ON A Ventilator. (my emphasis).
Potter says the second reason it's not true is because of checks and balances.
If somebody knowingly alters the medical record, which would then create this bill I think is being alleged here...That would be caught through audit. And if that occurred, you would be prosecuted and there are huge penalties.
There's no pressure on the physician to say covid , we're going to get paid more if you have covid, Dr. Mead said.

The CARES act is implemented through Medicare only.

The resource for the above is Fox News. January 6, 2021. I mention that the information comes from Fox News so that should increase the credibility, fair and balanced.
Heard it from the horse’s mouth (multiple people) that they’re instructed to list all deaths with vivid as covid caused.

I give zero shits whether you believe me or not. I’ll leave you with this…just because something is a news story doesn’t make it true. You’re picking news stories to believe that confirm your biases. You should know better or at the very least be aware of it.
 

HuckFinn

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Heard it from the horse’s mouth (multiple people) that they’re instructed to list all deaths with vivid as covid caused.

I give zero shits whether you believe me or not. I’ll leave you with this…just because something is a news story doesn’t make it true. You’re picking news stories to believe that confirm your biases. You should know better or at the very least be aware of it.
You are so wrong it’s not even funny. You talk “horse’s mouth” from Bum Fuck,SD, like that makes it gospel. I quote fact checkers, and I can give you 10 more if you prefer, that contradict your position. I did not select a source to agree with my views, since they were numerous. Put your damn arrogance aside and deal with reality. When I did the fact check, Fry, I absolutely did not know what I would find. If you had been correct, I would have said so. That is how I operate. Take a lesson.
 

Fryowa

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You are so wrong it’s not even funny. You talk “horse’s mouth” from Bum Fuck,SD, like that makes it gospel. I quote fact checkers, and I can give you 10 more if you prefer, that contradict your position. I did not select a source to agree with my views, since they were numerous. Put your damn arrogance aside and deal with reality. When I did the fact check, Fry, I absolutely did not know what I would find. If you had been correct, I would have said so. That is how I operate. Take a lesson.
Whatever you want to believe is A-OK with me. I feel no need to compel you one way or the other
 

uihawk82

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Nah, there's a logical reason for CuckFinn to think that way. It is rather simple. He's a retired leftist boomer who watches CNN all the time and will believe literally anything he sees on CNN. CNN is the most trusted name in news, ya know.

CuckFinn is the kind of guy who they make fear porn for. The harder they crank up the fear, the more he watches. He just has to see how bad it gets. At some point, even normies can conclude that the patterns that they see in reality do not comport with the fear porn, but the most ardent leftists (and rightwingers) cannot disconnect. And the source pushing the fear porn can never admit they were wrong. Their institutional credibility is on the line.

You are watching in real time as The Party grapples with The Ministry of Truth losing control of the narrative.
So OK4P, a lot of your posts on this covid topic imply that the number of covid deaths is inflated. As of today at the time of this post the Johns Hopkins Covid site numbers 416.4 million covid cases worldwide and 5.78 million deaths due to covid. Are you saying that there is a global conspiracy among millions of doctors, nurses, nurses aides, health depts, testing labs, and administrators of govt. that cover covid, to inflate the numbers. And if you go into the hospital with bad covid and die from covid it really doesnt matter if the person had a heart condition because the proximal cause of death is covid. If you go get a covid test prior to your knee surgery and you are covid positive and get really sick and go and die then you died of covid, not a heart problem or a knee problem.

Gee, I wonder how many people died in rural India, Brazil, mexico and other countries but they were just buried without any covid tests. The number is not important now but I bet it is a large number.
 

okeefe4prez

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So OK4P, a lot of your posts on this covid topic imply that the number of covid deaths is inflated. As of today at the time of this post the Johns Hopkins Covid site numbers 416.4 million covid cases worldwide and 5.78 million deaths due to covid. Are you saying that there is a global conspiracy among millions of doctors, nurses, nurses aides, health depts, testing labs, and administrators of govt. that cover covid, to inflate the numbers. And if you go into the hospital with bad covid and die from covid it really doesnt matter if the person had a heart condition because the proximal cause of death is covid. If you go get a covid test prior to your knee surgery and you are covid positive and get really sick and go and die then you died of covid, not a heart problem or a knee problem.

Gee, I wonder how many people died in rural India, Brazil, mexico and other countries but they were just buried without any covid tests. The number is not important now but I bet it is a large number.

Conspiracy? Are we already at the point in which you have to call people conspiracy theorists because you have no substantive rebuttal? Come on. I have not asserted any sort of global conspiracy. I don't know what other countries do, but I do know that Japan has roughly 130 million people and about 20k deaths. They have a very old population and if their numbers were held steady to the US, that would imply a 50-60k death count in the US. We're over 900k and closing in on a million. Do I believe that is accurate? Absolutely not.

I'm just telling you the US data, which comprises about 1/6th of the global death numbers you cited, is absolute shit. You can believe it or not. The US government has created a massive incentive (described in other posts above) via Medicare reimbursements for hospitals to code as many old or uninsured patients as possible as COVID patients. I believe that people will respond to incentives. You don't need a conspiracy, the incentive is literally codified in Section 3710 of the CARES Act. So for the US, the death data is skewed higher and the government has even acknowledged they need to do a better job of identifying patients who died "with COVID" from those who died "from COVID."

And the IFR model has steadily ticked down over time, but it is still likely inflated. The equation is deaths divided by cases. The case number has been wildly understated. Do you know what happens to a percentage when you make the denominator used to calculate it smaller? The resulting percentage goes up.

Live your life how you see fit, everyone will be dead in two weeks anyway. And if they're not, just give it another two weeks and then you'll see.
 

HuckFinn

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Conspiracy theories used to be fun and down right funny. Now they have become populated by zealots.
 

PCHawk

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George Floyd and Bob Saget are covid deaths.

Full disclaimer - I'm not certain Saget is listed as one because they may have finally changed how they list them. But if they haven't changed how they count, then he's a covid death.
 

PCHawk

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Conspiracy? Are we already at the point in which you have to call people conspiracy theorists because you have no substantive rebuttal? Come on. I have not asserted any sort of global conspiracy. I don't know what other countries do, but I do know that Japan has roughly 130 million people and about 20k deaths. They have a very old population and if their numbers were held steady to the US, that would imply a 50-60k death count in the US. We're over 900k and closing in on a million. Do I believe that is accurate? Absolutely not.

I'm just telling you the US data, which comprises about 1/6th of the global death numbers you cited, is absolute shit. You can believe it or not. The US government has created a massive incentive (described in other posts above) via Medicare reimbursements for hospitals to code as many old or uninsured patients as possible as COVID patients. I believe that people will respond to incentives. You don't need a conspiracy, the incentive is literally codified in Section 3710 of the CARES Act. So for the US, the death data is skewed higher and the government has even acknowledged they need to do a better job of identifying patients who died "with COVID" from those who died "from COVID."

And the IFR model has steadily ticked down over time, but it is still likely inflated. The equation is deaths divided by cases. The case number has been wildly understated. Do you know what happens to a percentage when you make the denominator used to calculate it smaller? The resulting percentage goes up.

Live your life how you see fit, everyone will be dead in two weeks anyway. And if they're not, just give it another two weeks and then you'll see.
There's no doubt the numbers are inflated because how they count them. The question is how much they're inflated. My guess is probably about 20% max are people who died completely from something else. That still leaves a really big number. The big number is due to how unhealthy this country is and how little we do to treat it for political reasons. The treatment is "go home until you can't breathe". Then it's too late.
 

uihawk82

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Conspiracy? Are we already at the point in which you have to call people conspiracy theorists because you have no substantive rebuttal? Come on. I have not asserted any sort of global conspiracy. I don't know what other countries do, but I do know that Japan has roughly 130 million people and about 20k deaths. They have a very old population and if their numbers were held steady to the US, that would imply a 50-60k death count in the US. We're over 900k and closing in on a million. Do I believe that is accurate? Absolutely not.

I'm just telling you the US data, which comprises about 1/6th of the global death numbers you cited, is absolute shit. You can believe it or not. The US government has created a massive incentive (described in other posts above) via Medicare reimbursements for hospitals to code as many old or uninsured patients as possible as COVID patients. I believe that people will respond to incentives. You don't need a conspiracy, the incentive is literally codified in Section 3710 of the CARES Act. So for the US, the death data is skewed higher and the government has even acknowledged they need to do a better job of identifying patients who died "with COVID" from those who died "from COVID."

And the IFR model has steadily ticked down over time, but it is still likely inflated. The equation is deaths divided by cases. The case number has been wildly understated. Do you know what happens to a percentage when you make the denominator used to calculate it smaller? The resulting percentage goes up.

Live your life how you see fit, everyone will be dead in two weeks anyway. And if they're not, just give it another two weeks and then you'll see.

I hope you know the history of these pandemics or large, country level endemics in Asia lead to the fact that Japan and most of those countries have masks at the ready. They wear masks to a high level. There mask wearing is anecdotal evidence that masking works. Just like the counties in Kansas in 2020 showed that masking works to slow down infection. But not sure if you are aware of any of these things. Did you know that surgeons and operating room staff wear masks???

Early on in Covid, March to May in NYCity and the hard hit east, death rates were compared to the average death rates over many previous years and the 2020 death rates were much higher. A person would have only one logical inference from that data. But maybe you think a lot of those dead bodies stored in refrigerated trucks and buried were mannequins.
 
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