And I will add - his best player Brad Banks - HE DID'NT EVEN WANT TO PLAY HIM! Remember? The fans had to boo McCann off the field! A great disservice to McCann and us fans.
No - KF is not a great coach.. he is a good man.
The KF era in 3 yr spans. Not so bad?
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And I will add - his best player Brad Banks - HE DID'NT EVEN WANT TO PLAY HIM! Remember? The fans had to boo McCann off the field! A great disservice to McCann and us fans.
No - KF is not a great coach.. he is a good man.
HawkeyeMHA
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Only shared Big 10 titles? Only 3 Offensive linemen of the year? Only survived on winning bowl games? Wow, that's one way to look at it.
okeefe4prez
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I know Wisconsin's offense is statistically better than ours. It is because they have better o-linemen and RBs than us in most seasons. That is the difference between them having 3rd and 2 and 3rd and 6 all the time. O'Keefe has taken plenty of shots down the field the past few years, but his one and only weakness is that sometimes he doesn't have a great pass play to counter a heavy blitz.
HawkeyeMHA
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Come on, just because he didn't play Banks immediately, didn't mean he didn't even want to play him? I doubt there is any way that is true. Unless you are at every practice and knew both players, there was probably more to it than that. He gave McCann his chance and then he went to Banks, within his first year of being at Iowa. None of us knew how good BB was going to be until he stepped on that field. If you knew he was going to be a Heisman runner up before he played you are better than all of us.
KF is a good coach IMO. He is not a great coach IYO.
HawkeyeMHA
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And even if some on HN would agree with you that he is not a great coach, many many coaches that do it 24/7 would disagree with you.
HawkeyeMcNutt
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Last year may have been sketchy, but I don't care how it's done, two years ago was a BCS BOWL VICTORY.
HawkeyeMHA
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Yep, two years ago BCS win. Last year we lost like 5 close games. We cannot win them all, there are only a handful of teams that win year in and year out. Consider this... no Florida school in the top 25 right now. No FSU, No Miami, No Florida. Perspective people.
DwayneTwill
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all the more room for Iowa to be in there. Things are getting stale in IC.
The other way to look at this is that he has only had 4 really good teams out of 13 years. As good as the 2008 team was, they wildly underachieved considering all of their close losses to mediocre-bad teams.
I'll give him a pass on the first two years, but 2001, 2005, 2010 and this year so far have been hugely disappointing. Just close loss after close loss against bad teams.
2006 and 2007 were just horrifically bad years and borderline inexcusable.
So yeah, Iowa has been really good under KF about 1/3 of the time, and the rest has been pretty poor.
I'll give him a pass on the first two years, but 2001, 2005, 2010 and this year so far have been hugely disappointing. Just close loss after close loss against bad teams.
2006 and 2007 were just horrifically bad years and borderline inexcusable.
So yeah, Iowa has been really good under KF about 1/3 of the time, and the rest has been pretty poor.
imissbradbanks
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AMEN!
SDK46
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I put value on the BCS bowls, and Cap-1.
The others....meh...the Big-10 can get as many as eight teams into a non-championship bowl. You only have to finish .500 overall and can be sub-.500 in league play. And the bowls are locked in.
Over 50% of the teams playing can qualify to go to some bowl. (35 games/70 spots) for about 120 teams.
To NOT go to a bowl these days is a sign of a bad team/season.
The others....meh...the Big-10 can get as many as eight teams into a non-championship bowl. You only have to finish .500 overall and can be sub-.500 in league play. And the bowls are locked in.
Over 50% of the teams playing can qualify to go to some bowl. (35 games/70 spots) for about 120 teams.
To NOT go to a bowl these days is a sign of a bad team/season.
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"Has never made it to a Rose Bowl"
It's funny how naysayer Hawk fans like to bring this up, conveniently forgetting about the two Orange Bowls. Getting to the Rose Bowl isn't what it once was. It's now just part of the BCS Series. KF qualified for the 03 Rose, but the Orange picked Iowa first.
Section136
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How in the world can you say 2001 was hugely disappointing? We were coming off a 3 win season and nobody knew what to expect. We ended up with 7 wins and an Alamo Bowl victory.
Section136
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You call it shared Big Ten titles....do we have half of a Big Ten championship trophy in our trophy case? No. We were Big Ten champs those years. How can anyone question our title in 2002? We went undefeated in conference play.
The Rose Bowl argument doesnt work anymore. The BCS has screwed up the tradition of that game in a handful of years. Iowa goes 8-0 in the Big Ten in 2002 and Oklahoma and Washington State play in the Rose Bowl.
He has had 3 O lineman of the year in 12 years. So that means 25% of the time one of his guys is the best offensive lineman of the year in the conference. Pretty good accomplishment considering the o-lines Wisky has developed recently and the great O-lines Michigan had during Lloyd Carr's tenure.
NCHawker
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Two sides to the same coin. One side shows inconsistent wins and losses. The other is a list of individual accolades. When Iowa is good, their pretty darned good and awards ensure. When they're not, well... Problem is, Iowa has not been good more often than it has been good. I don't like it but it's a fact.
They lost 5 games by 7 points or less. The offense was ranked #1 in the B1G. The team was literally loaded with NFL talent (Aaron Kampman, Ladell Betts, Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders, etc).
That team was hugely underachieving if you look at it objectively. Many of those players formed the core of our Big Ten title team the next year, plus a couple of senior starters that would go on to have lengthy NFL careers, and they finished 6-5 in the regular season.
How in the world could that NOT be considered disappointing? It was essentially an identical season to last year, except there were no pre-season expectations going in.
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I don't get why some of us Hawk fans say 01 was a huge disappoinment. No one, and I mean no one expected that Iowa team to win 9 or 10 games. But they almost did. Yes, they could gave won more games as the O was pretty good. However the D struggled that yr and the O was a turnover machine. They won 7 and the Alamo Bowl in yr 3. At the time it was a huge sign of progress.
How are 06 and 07 horrifically bad? Iowa was 12-13. Mediocre? Yes. Horriffic? No. Certainly not inexcusable. 1-24 would have been horrific.
I will agree 05 and 10 were pretty disappointing. But 15-10 isn't pretty poor. It's not real good, but not pretty poor. To me pretty poor would have been something like 8-17.
Do I wish Iowa could be 11-2 every yr? Of course, we all do. Is it likely to happen? No, it's not. Well, if Iowa hires Nick Saban or Bob Stoops, then maybe.
