The Dickerson dilemma

This is what I said in the Willie Atwood thread.

So many of the JUCO guys have never been coached properly...no fundamentals, etc. I have stated multiple times that Clemmons is the obvious choice to play ahead of Dickerson. I've always liked Clemmons' game...other than last year when he didn't give a good effort.

But I haven't given up on Dickerson. I'm glad he came in as a sophomore. It gives the coaching staff a year to reign him in...if it can be done. He brings skills we need but he has to be under control and disciplined. Hopefully his role will increase next year and he can be our starting PG as a senior...while a younger player spells him and learns how to play in the B1G.
 
I trust the coaches. He just has to defend better and make better decisions.

I'm guessing he gets more minutes next year with Oglesby gone. Oglesby is getting a SURPRISING amount of playing time right now.....he must just tear it up in practice, which makes it hard on the coaches.
 
ChosenChildren said:
I trust the coaches. He just has to defend better and make better decisions.

I'm guessing he gets more minutes next year with Oglesby gone. Oglesby is getting a SURPRISING amount of playing time right now.....he must just tear it up in practice, which makes it hard on the coaches.
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He will have to earn minutes next year. Jok will get a lot of minutes. Fran is already playing Gesell and Clemmons at the same time. Fleming and Ellingson will be vying for minutes...if they can make some outside shots and play adequate defense.
 
WindsorHawk said:
He will have to earn minutes next year. Jok will get a lot of minutes. Fran is already playing Gesell and Clemmons at the same time. Fleming and Ellingson will be vying for minutes...if they can make some outside shots and play adequate defense.
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If we can have 1 post player step up next year, i think we can be pretty damn good. Jok and Uthofg might be the best one two scoring punch we've had in awhile. You should do a thread on what all the Big 10 schools lose next year. Those are fun to look at.
 
Chickenlounge said:
Just curious where you get this from? He has shown no ability to score in the B1G. Hell, I just pulled up the 2014 stats for the PTL and he had the fewest points of any Iowa player in the PTL. Shot 50% from the field, and 23% from 3pt. Drew Cook (currently a High School Senior) shot 46% from the field, and 37% from 3pt land. In the championship game he was 5/9 from the field, and 0/6 from 3pt. Clemmons doubled Trey's point total.

If you've seen Trey shoot, he has a weird form and flow. I just don't see him being an impact player on the scoreboard. He needs to work on assists and defense, because he's got the speed to cause other teams problems. He's just never going to be a scoring threat.
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Not bagging on you, because I don't see Trey being the level of either guard in front of him, but you're basing an argument on PTL stats.
 
After some more time to think on this thread...

Dilemma? What dilemma?

Dude played 8 minutes in mop up time against the worst team in the league and all of a sudden we have a dilemma??
 
I don't see a dilemma. Dickerson is a JC player and he plays like he is still in junior college. He is all over the place. Maybe with another year in the program he will be able to contribute, but you are not going to see him in games when it counts this year. He is fast, but unless we start running races with the other teams he better work at the rest of the game
 
ibahawkeye said:
After some more time to think on this thread...

Dilemma? What dilemma?

Dude played 8 minutes in mop up time against the worst team in the league and all of a sudden we have a dilemma??
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Exactly. And played out of control most of the time he was in there.
 
WindsorHawk said:
If you are watching the games you don't understand basketball. If you aren't watching the games you should before posting drivel of this nature. Clemmons has 17 assists and 4 turnovers in the last 5 games. He's the 3rd best 3 point shooter on the team at 36.4%. And he does play good defense. Plus he's strong...can handle the physical play in the Big 10. I think this covers every erroneous comment in your ridiculous post.
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LOL!! You pick a 5 game sample size to make your case for Clemmons over a career in which he has appeared in 80+ games, 3 of which were against the worse teams in the B1G?? Keep it coming genius.
 
Iowa is going to have holes all over the place next year unless the Freshmen start playing immediately. Its possible next year that Clemmons could spell Jok and Dickerson could spell Gesell some of the time. Believe it or not Clemmons is a career 36% 3 point shooter in limited attempts. While 36% isn't "amazeballs" its right around Peter Jok's average and if Clemmons got more chances its possible he could improve upon that.

Ellingson is still unproven so right now I'd say that Gesell/Jok/Clemmons/Dickerson are your top 4 guards coming into 2015 until someone beats them out

Also, Dickerson needs to play next year if he's your only PG on the roster for the 2016 season, which he currently is.
 
ibahawkeye said:
After some more time to think on this thread...

Dilemma? What dilemma?

Dude played 8 minutes in mop up time against the worst team in the league and all of a sudden we have a dilemma??
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the dilemma is mine, not Fran's or the team's. I think TD has some attributes that could help this team. the problem is where does he fit in and how do you get those attributes to help the team without hurting it in other areas? I certainly don't want to play MG less. And AC > TD. But TD is a scorer and this team could benefit from that. that's what I mean by dilemma.
 
I think the dilemma is that TD is currently the only PG on the roster in 2016, and that includes the four 2015 commits and the one 2016 commit. Fran currently has no (known) offers out to any other PG's for 2015 or 2016.

So if TD is your only PG going into 2016, he absolutely has to play and develop next season.
 
mopkins said:
Iowa is going to have holes all over the place next year unless the Freshmen start playing immediately. Its possible next year that Clemmons could spell Jok and Dickerson could spell Gesell some of the time. Believe it or not Clemmons is a career 36% 3 point shooter in limited attempts. While 36% isn't "amazeballs" its right around Peter Jok's average and if Clemmons got more chances its possible he could improve upon that.

Ellingson is still unproven so right now I'd say that Gesell/Jok/Clemmons/Dickerson are your top 4 guards coming into 2015 until someone beats them out

Also, Dickerson needs to play next year if he's your only PG on the roster for the 2016 season, which he currently is.
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Not to derail thread as I'm an advocate of playing Clemmons ahead of Dickerson so don't twist that but I'm confident that more 3 point attempts for Anthony would only drive his career % down.
 
1hawkeye1 said:
the dilemma is mine, not Fran's or the team's. I think TD has some attributes that could help this team. the problem is where does he fit in and how do you get those attributes to help the team without hurting it in other areas? I certainly don't want to play MG less. And AC > TD. But TD is a scorer and this team could benefit from that. that's what I mean by dilemma.
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It all comes back to guard play consistency. I don't think you yearn for Dickerson's scoring to help this team if we can get consistent play out of our guards.

We can't have Mike play 30 minutes against Minnesota and go scoreless. Jok can't be held to 4 points against NW in a game with 5 additional minutes. Josh Ogelsby can't not shoot. As a senior, his 3 point attempts are down from any previous year. And I get his % is too but he's a better shooter than he's shot this year so we need him to shoot at least 30% from 3 the rest of the year and average like he did last year... 6 points a game. Shoot 2-6 from 3 a game. That's all I ask from him.

If we avoid absolute disasters from Mike & Peter and Ogelsby somehow can contribute with scoring, this team is a tourney team and maybe even a difficult out.

Again where I was going with this is what the team needs doesn't need to come from Dickerson.
 
ibahawkeye said:
Not to derail thread as I'm an advocate of playing Clemmons ahead of Dickerson so don't twist that but I'm confident that more 3 point attempts for Anthony would only drive his career % down.
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Clemmons shot 36% as a freshman, 37% as a Sophomore and 36% this year as a junior. So I think the stats would say he's consistently a 36% 3 point shooter and I'm not sure how you could be "confident" that it could only go down?
 
mopkins said:
Clemmons shot 36% as a freshman, 37% as a Sophomore and 36% this year as a junior. So I think the stats would say he's consistently a 36% 3 point shooter and I'm not sure how you could be "confident" that it could only go down?
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He only shoots when he's wide open. If he shot more often, the degree of difficulty would go up.
 
ibahawkeye said:
It all comes back to guard play consistency. I don't think you yearn for Dickerson's scoring to help this team if we can get consistent play out of our guards.

We can't have Mike play 30 minutes against Minnesota and go scoreless. Jok can't be held to 4 points against NW in a game with 5 additional minutes. Josh Ogelsby can't not shoot. As a senior, his 3 point attempts are down from any previous year. And I get his % is too but he's a better shooter than he's shot this year so we need him to shoot at least 30% from 3 the rest of the year and average like he did last year... 6 points a game. Shoot 2-6 from 3 a game. That's all I ask from him.

If we avoid absolute disasters from Mike & Peter and Ogelsby somehow can contribute with scoring, this team is a tourney team and maybe even a difficult out.

Again where I was going with this is what the team needs doesn't need to come from Dickerson.
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I would agree with you here.
 
I would still like to see TD get some meaningful minutes now wrapped around timeouts.

The hawks looked so sluggish on offense in the first half at jNW against that zone so maybe TD should have got a chance to penetrate that zone. And geez we werent closing on the jNW three point shooters so who cares if he is a little less of a defender.

Keep him at Iowa because maybe he gets to be a senior Chauney Leslie.
 
I just think trey plays at a pace that the rest of the team isn't used to. The guys just don't react to what he's doing because they aren't used to it happening. For instance awhile back he made a nice move to the the top of the key and fired a pass to Woodbury which went blowing by him cause he wasn't ready for it. It was a great look, but Adam doesn't have that come at him regularly so he was like wtf?

His style of play is so much different then mikes steady and diliberate style and that's what they always see. Hopefully trey can develop and as a team they can learn to find the right spots and be ready for his deliveries because what I see is a guard who can beat someone off the dribble for once. Would be great for kick outs to open shooters....

He has a ways to go though...
 
PCHawk said:
If we can have 1 post player step up next year, i think we can be pretty damn good. Jok and Uthofg might be the best one two scoring punch we've had in awhile. You should do a thread on what all the Big 10 schools lose next year. Those are fun to look at.
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Don't worry. I most definitely will...have just started thinking about it as things are winding down.
 
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