The Dickerson dilemma

[1hawkeye1]

If you've seen him play, and it's been a rare occurrence, then you've seen just how fast this kid is. He's got a gear that no one else on the floor can match. The problem with Trey is how do you use him?

He's got a score first mentality. Which works in JUCO but doesn't work in B1G. Not with your PG. A B1G PG has to be a guy who makes everyone around him better by distributing the ball and keeping the offense flowing. I hate to see him wasting away on the benching because the kid can score.

So my question to you is: How would you use Trey Dickerson? As he is currently being used or do you have a better plan for him? Maybe he's just a square peg at a round hole position.....................

 

[Xerxes]

I don't mind the score first mentality and I wouldn't encourage anyone who has it to change it. Andre Woolridge was one of Iowa's best PGs in the last 30 years and he had to have a score first mentality his SR year.

With TD, I think he's just raw talent. He doens't have the control or patience that MG has or even AC. I think the coaching staff needs to do keep doing what they're doing. Try to develop him. Play him when they can but he's probably not close to playing meaningful minutes in a B1G game. Maybe next year he can contribute and then be an effective player his SR year?

 

[Hawkfnntn]

He's just behind 2 other guys that have more trust from the coaches... It sucks because could he be more effective then either of those other guys? Maybe I dunno I just haven't seen enough of him to know the answer to that. I wish he'd get more time then he's received so we can find it out. But it looks like garbage time is all he's going to get unless someone gets hurt...

 

[PCHawk]

I'm hoping he sees a ton of minutes in the non conference next year and is in the regular rotation for conference play. It's too bad about this year because if he was just a little more under control he would possibly be our best option at point guard.

Even this year, his good plays are probably pretty close to making up for his bad plays. The good news is he's capable of making a lot of both and it seems pretty realistic to assume he will cut down a lot on his bad plays. Once he does, he should make a lot of good plays for us.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

I think he would best be used running wind sprints for Kirk at wide receiver.

 

[ibahawkeye]

All I want from Trey is to keep improving this year and next in order to be ready as a Sr when he'll be needed. I don't see much need for his services until Mike and Clemmons are gone.

 

[TritonHawkeye]

If Trey is going to be a starting PG or one that see's significant minutes then he needs to work on his fundamentals.

He seems to have the tools to breakdown the first defender but after that he is lost. When he tries to kick the ball out to an open shooter his passes are rarely in a spot for them to go up and score.

He is fast and an okay shooter but is really lacking at decision making, defense and passing.

He needs a lot of work.

 

[deanvogs]

I think it is clear that he is just WAYYYYY behind the two Jr PG. He doesnt play any D, (and Fran is very focused on D this year) and he plays too out of control, while showing almost no scoring ability. Hopefully the year experience will bring TD up to speed for next year, and if Fran doesn't think he can cut it, that he encourages him to move on then.

 

[PCHawk]

I think it is clear that he is just WAYYYYY behind the two Jr PG. He doesnt play any D, (and Fran is very focused on D this year) and he plays too out of control, while showing almost no scoring ability. Hopefully the year experience will bring TD up to speed for next year, and if Fran doesn't think he can cut it, that he encourages him to move on then.

I don't think he should be encouraged to move on. At worst he will be a good backup his senior year. I also don't think he is WAYYYYY behind. I can see saying that based on what you are seeing out of him. But you also have to factor what you're seeing out of AC. Granted he has had a couple decent games lately. But if Dickerson played the minutes AC has, he would have almost certainly had a few decent games too.

 

[Chickenlounge]

I hate to see him wasting away on the benching because the kid can score.

Just curious where you get this from? He has shown no ability to score in the B1G. Hell, I just pulled up the 2014 stats for the PTL and he had the fewest points of any Iowa player in the PTL. Shot 50% from the field, and 23% from 3pt. Drew Cook (currently a High School Senior) shot 46% from the field, and 37% from 3pt land. In the championship game he was 5/9 from the field, and 0/6 from 3pt. Clemmons doubled Trey's point total.

If you've seen Trey shoot, he has a weird form and flow. I just don't see him being an impact player on the scoreboard. He needs to work on assists and defense, because he's got the speed to cause other teams problems. He's just never going to be a scoring threat.

 

[hawkeye4life68]

All I want from Trey is to keep improving this year and next in order to be ready as a Sr when he'll be needed. I don't see much need for his services until Mike and Clemmons are gone.

LOL. To paraphrase Bruce Dickinson. " I gotta have more Clemmons!!" Yeah, I'm sure TD couldn't possibly bring more to the table than AC with a little more playing time and experience.

 

[deanvogs]

I don't think he should be encouraged to move on. At worst he will be a good backup his senior year. I also don't think he is WAYYYYY behind. I can see saying that based on what you are seeing out of him. But you also have to factor what you're seeing out of AC. Granted he has had a couple decent games lately. But if Dickerson played the minutes AC has, he would have almost certainly had a few decent games too.

You are seeing what you HOPE he is. I am seeing what he is. Fran has shown he will play younger players, he will play players who are struggling, and he will play guys through slumps. I mean just look at Clemmons, Ogs and Uhl. I mean many times these guys don't do much of anything. Dickerson must be showing Fran absolutely ZERO in practice that he gets ZERO playing time.

If you are hoping he takes up a roster spot for 3 years, and only gives 1 decent year out of those 3, then you and I have a different idea on how the scholarship spots should be used. If Fran thinks he MIGHT get one good year out of TD, he should encourage him to move on, get a PG who can then RS a year, or play spot min. as a Fr. and have him for 3 or 4 more years.

TD was a fallback to a fallback, and you have to cut your losses if you were wrong on him. I hate to be that guy, but you can't just waste a scholarship on a kid for 3 years and get 1 year out of him.

 

[SnapBack2]

I think Dickerson should stay exactly where he is. He's the 3rd PG on the team, and needs time in the program to improve. His shot, although still poor, has improved quite a bit. His defense is still bad, but the game has seemed to slow down a bit for him.

Barring injury, I don't think there is any reason why he would get meaningful minutes until his senior year. The main reason being he is the 3rd best PG on the team. I hope he continues to get better, and who knows, he could end up being very good.

 

[deanvogs]

LOL. To paraphrase Bruce Dickinson. " I gotta have more Clemmons!!" Yeah, I'm sure TD couldn't possibly bring more to the table than AC with a little more playing time and experience.

So you are saying that Fran doesn't know PG or PG play then. You have seen almost nothing from TD when he has been on the court (no defense, no offense, no passing, all while playing out of control) yet he should supplant Clemmons??? LOLOLOLOL.....Fran knows what he is doing here, no way he plays Clemmons if he thinks TD is better, and he actually gets to see these guys ever day in practice, you don't.

 

[DDThompson]

I would use him to sub for Gesell when he plays like he did in first half of the purdue game. Then you might end up with Gesell from second half plus a couple more.

 

[hawkeye4life68]

So you are saying that Fran doesn't know PG or PG play then. You have seen almost nothing from TD when he has been on the court (no defense, no offense, no passing, all while playing out of control) yet he should supplant Clemmons??? LOLOLOLOL.....Fran knows what he is doing here, no way he plays Clemmons if he thinks TD is better, and he actually gets to see these guys ever day in practice, you don't.

I'm not saying I see anything out of TD at all but what have you seen from Clemmons to even suggest that TD couldn't possibly supplant him if he got some playing time and experience? AC is one of the worst guards to ever play at Iowa given the amount of games and minutes he's been given. Terrible handle for a PG, putrid assist to turnover ratio and can't throw it in the ocean. Oh, but he's such a good defensive player. The mantra all Iowa player's are given to explain their playing time when they can't produce results anywhere else.

I would dump both Clemmons and TD to free up scholly's to pursue other player's but since we won't do that and have seen all that AC will be it's laughable to think TD couldn't do better with some playing time and experience.

 

[smbhawk1]

I'm not saying I see anything out of TD at all but what have you seen from Clemmons to even suggest that TD couldn't possibly supplant him if he got some playing time and experience? AC is one of the worst guards to ever play at Iowa given the amount of games and minutes he's been given. Terrible handle for a PG, putrid assist to turnover ratio and can't throw it in the ocean. Oh, but he's such a good defensive player. The mantra all Iowa player's are given to explain their playing time when they can't produce results anywhere else.

I would dump both Clemmons and TD to free up scholly's to pursue other player's but since we won't do that and have seen all that AC will be it's laughable to think TD couldn't do better with some playing time and experience.

And yet he is STILL a better shooter than our 3-point specialist Ogelsby.

 

[PCHawk]

You are seeing what you HOPE he is. I am seeing what he is. Fran has shown he will play younger players, he will play players who are struggling, and he will play guys through slumps. I mean just look at Clemmons, Ogs and Uhl. I mean many times these guys don't do much of anything. Dickerson must be showing Fran absolutely ZERO in practice that he gets ZERO playing time.

If you are hoping he takes up a roster spot for 3 years, and only gives 1 decent year out of those 3, then you and I have a different idea on how the scholarship spots should be used. If Fran thinks he MIGHT get one good year out of TD, he should encourage him to move on, get a PG who can then RS a year, or play spot min. as a Fr. and have him for 3 or 4 more years.

TD was a fallback to a fallback, and you have to cut your losses if you were wrong on him. I hate to be that guy, but you can't just waste a scholarship on a kid for 3 years and get 1 year out of him.

Your post doesn't even make sense in response to my post. I said Dickerson isn't way worse based on what i see out of CLEMMONS not DICKERSON. Then you respond with I'm seeing what i hope to see from Dickerson?

Then i say they shouldn't cut him loose because he will conribute as a senior and you ask me if i think wasting 3 years on a player to contribute 1 year is a good idea? Unless you're suggesting Fran somehow go back in time and cut him loose last year, he really only needs to decide if it's worth wasting 2 years of scholarship to have him contribute for 1 year.

 

[PCHawk]

So you are saying that Fran doesn't know PG or PG play then. You have seen almost nothing from TD when he has been on the court (no defense, no offense, no passing, all while playing out of control) yet he should supplant Clemmons??? LOLOLOLOL.....Fran knows what he is doing here, no way he plays Clemmons if he thinks TD is better, and he actually gets to see these guys ever day in practice, you don't.

I assume you're one of the few people on here that doesn't complain about Fran's minute distribution. I think Fran made a mistake not playing Dickerson more minutes in the non conference. Now there is nothing he can do about it because Clemmons is a better option. I'm not sure that would be the case if Dickerson would have played more earlier. Next year i assume he will play more early and there is a very decent chance he will pass Clemmons.

 

[WindsorHawk]

AC is one of the worst guards to ever play at Iowa given the amount of games and minutes he's been given. Terrible handle for a PG, putrid assist to turnover ratio and can't throw it in the ocean. Oh, but he's such a good defensive player. The mantra all Iowa player's are given to explain their playing time when they can't produce results anywhere else.

If you are watching the games you don't understand basketball. If you aren't watching the games you should before posting drivel of this nature. Clemmons has 17 assists and 4 turnovers in the last 5 games. He's the 3rd best 3 point shooter on the team at 36.4%. And he does play good defense. Plus he's strong...can handle the physical play in the Big 10. I think this covers every erroneous comment in your ridiculous post.