The Alford Stuff

HawkPrdatr40 said:
Heard the news driving to Coralville yesterday to be with family.

Really 16 pages, 9 pages in another and 26,000 views between the 2 threads? and people claim to not care about Alford.. hahahaha Nice Try. What a joke!!

This morning woke up before leaving and guess what Alford gets front page of sports.


You really can't make this up..
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This is only relevant if the majority of those who care about Alford also say they don't care about Alford. I feel like the majority of the people posting here don't claim to not care about seeing him fail. In other words, people who claim to strongly dislike/hate the man are acting accordingly.
 
okeefe4prez said:
I heard Alford was in the legislature that passed the laws that let the kid walk free in the first instance. Good Lord people, at some point you have to blame the elected officials and court system that let the kid walk. But oh no, Alford didn't punish him enough. Give it a rest, you proles know good and darned well that had Pierce stuck around and led us to a deep tournament run all would have been forgiven in your minds. Having criminals on your team is only a "problem" when the teams fail to live up to overly lofty expectations.
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"Criminals" is one thing. "Rapist" is quiet another. I'm willing to have some shady characters on the team, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
 
HawkPrdatr40 said:
He obviously isn't failing now is he..

There are many on this site who claim not to care about Alford, until Alford does something. :)
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I don't know ANY Iowa fan who claim not to care about Alford. The vast majority of them absolutely despise the guy. Even Lickliter gets a bigger pass from most of the guys I know. They just feel he was in over his head and just didn't realize that having a "winning system" wasn't going to be enough to win at this level. Personally, I agree with sportstalent when he said that he felt that Alford just didn't have any respect for Iowa or it's fans. I think he came in with that typical hoosier basketball attitude and even though he was being compensated by the U of I, he felt we were always going to be inferior to his alma mater.
 
okeefe4prez said:
I heard Alford was in the legislature that passed the laws that let the kid walk free in the first instance. Good Lord people, at some point you have to blame the elected officials and court system that let the kid walk. But oh no, Alford didn't punish him enough. Give it a rest, you proles know good and darned well that had Pierce stuck around and led us to a deep tournament run all would have been forgiven in your minds. Having criminals on your team is only a "problem" when the teams fail to live up to overly lofty expectations.
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I know you're just trolling so I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't truly believe sexual assault causing injury* is equivalent to underage drinking or a drunken fistfight.





* Or as us proles call it, rape.
 
HawkAttack said:
I know you're just trolling so I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't truly believe sexual assault causing injury* is equivalent to underage drinking or a drunken fistfight.





* Or as us proles call it, rape.
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No, I'm not trolling. A guy selling a vial of prescription painkillers goes to jail for 25 years in some states. It's not Steve Alford's fault that Iowa is soft on sexual assault. Gotta make room in jail for the guy selling scrips to his buddies. Steve Alford could never punish the guy the way he probably should have been punished. Sorry if you think otherwise.
 
HawkPrdatr40 said:
He obviously isn't failing now is he..

There are many on this site who claim not to care about Alford, until Alford does something. :)
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The guy has big time character flaws, treats a lot of people with no respect and is very easy to dislike.

Is it any wonder people want him to fail?

FreedComanche
 
okeefe4prez said:
No, I'm not trolling. A guy selling a vial of prescription painkillers goes to jail for 25 years in some states. It's not Steve Alford's fault that Iowa is soft on sexual assault. Gotta make room in jail for the guy selling scrips to his buddies. Steve Alford could never punish the guy the way he probably should have been punished. Sorry if you think otherwise.
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The law said Steve just had to give him a redshirt for sexual assault causing injury? Link please.
 
HawkAttack said:
The law said Steve just had to give him a redshirt for sexual assault causing injury? Link please.
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I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. If you have a problem with the Pierre Pierce situation, you should start with the elected officials and folks in the judicial system who deemed him not a threat and deemed his debt to society repaid. Pretty hard to play for the Hawks if you are in jail.
 
okeefe4prez said:
I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. If you have a problem with the Pierre Pierce situation, you should start with the elected officials and folks in the judicial system who deemed him not a threat and deemed his debt to society repaid. Pretty hard to play for the Hawks if you are in jail.
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Counselor, just for the heck of it: any problem with The Hair attempting to intimidate the victim into not pursuing her claim, even invoking Him whose death and resurrection millions of Christians observed this weekend?

Just curious...
 
LawVHawk said:
Counselor, just for the heck of it: any problem with The Hair attempting to intimidate the victim into not pursuing her claim, even invoking Him whose death and resurrection millions of Christians observed this weekend?

Just curious...
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Link to police report? Surely, if this happened the County or State's attorney filed charges, right? Or is this just more of the innuendo and hearsay campaign against Alford?
 
okeefe4prez said:
I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. If you have a problem with the Pierre Pierce situation, you should start with the elected officials and folks in the judicial system who deemed him not a threat and deemed his debt to society repaid. Pretty hard to play for the Hawks if you are in jail.
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More artful dodging from OK4P.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Link to police report? Surely, if this happened the County or State's attorney filed charges, right? Or is this just more of the innuendo and hearsay campaign against Alford?
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Skorton Releases Report From Investigative Committee - University News Service - The University of Iowa

In addition to these formal contacts, some contacts with the female student were initiated by persons who were not University employees, but who have an informal University relationship. In particular, individuals affiliated with Athletes in Action, a religious organization, contacted the victim to seek an informal resolution of the matter by asking the victim to meet informally for prayer with the perpetrator. One of those individuals had a longstanding relationship with the basketball program and its coach, which included traveling with the basketball team and conducting voluntary chapel and Bible study activities for the team and staff.

The female student's reaction to this contact was concern that the University was improperly involving itself in trying to resolve the matter. For her, this confirmed her fears that the University would act to protect its athlete and would not effectively pursue her interests in a disciplinary matter. Her response was to pursue criminal charges against the student athlete...

...on at least one occasion, the Big Ten media day, [Alford] stated with regard to Pierce that "I totally believe he's innocent. I believed it from Day 1 and I still believe it... While Coach Alford believed he was acting as he had been directed in making the statements he made to the media, one set of those statements – confirming his certainty in Pierce’s innocence – implied that he disbelieved and discredited the claims of the student victim, and his words were perceived as reflecting insensitivity to issues of sexual assault and sexual violence.”"
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Bernstein: UCLA Hired A Scumbag « CBS Chicago

Alford enlisted the help of close friend Jim Goodrich, the campus representative for Christian group Athletes in Action who often traveled with the team and conducted bible-study sessions. Per specific instruction from Alford, the victim was invited to what she was told was a “prayer meeting,” at which she was urged to back off and not cause problems for a basketball program that could overpower her.
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okeefe4prez said:
Steve Alford could never punish the guy the way he probably should have been punished. Sorry if you think otherwise.
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He could have, and should have, kicked him off the team, as KF did in similar circumstances.

A step which doesn't require any participation at all by "elected officials" or the "judicial system".
 
Billso said:
He could have, and should have, kicked him off the team, as KF did in similar circumstances.

A step which doesn't require any participation at all by "elected officials" or the "judicial system".
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Oh please, dude. Spare me. The feminists who run the University have cut the coaches out of the process and so your attempts to paint KF as saintly fall on deaf ears. Frankly, the University should do that because the coach has an inherent conflict of interest in the matter and pretty much every "good" coach will give the old line "we're handling it internally" with respect to all sorts of disciplinary issues. But you can bet your butt that there is no way any just plain old regular student would still be enrolled at the University of Iowa after a plea bargain to those charges against another student. Blame Alford, fine, but the fact is, the issue was far more of an institutional issue than an Alford issue. And you've seen a 180 degree change in the University's response to these issues in the time bince this incident occurred.

And a coach declaring the innocence of one of his players - OMG, that has never happened. Sorry he didn't break out the pitchfork and throw his player under the bus. Funny how "open minded" universities have done away with quaint notions of presumptions of innocence.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Oh please, dude. Spare me. The feminists who run the University have cut the coaches out of the process and so your attempts to paint KF as saintly fall on deaf ears. Frankly, the University should do that because the coach has an inherent conflict of interest in the matter and pretty much every "good" coach will give the old line "we're handling it internally" with respect to all sorts of disciplinary issues. But you can bet your butt that there is no way any just plain old regular student would still be enrolled at the University of Iowa after a plea bargain to those charges against another student. Blame Alford, fine, but the fact is, the issue was far more of an institutional issue than an Alford issue. And you've seen a 180 degree change in the University's response to these issues in the time bince this incident occurred.
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No question the University responds more seriously now. But that has nothing to do with Alford's failure to dump PP - in fact, it sounds like you're making an excuse. As for KF, the guy who kicked Bennie Sapp off the team would have had no problem booting PP for his far worse transgression.

And a coach declaring the innocence of one of his players - OMG, that has never happened. Sorry he didn't break out the pitchfork and throw his player under the bus. Funny how "open minded" universities have done away with quaint notions of presumptions of innocence.
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Except Alford made those statements AFTER quietly trying to get the victim to back off. Meaning he knew damn well Pierce wasn't innocent. And even without that inconvenient detail, coaches generally DON'T say what Alford said - they say "I'll support my player as the process plays out" and so forth. His declaration was over-the-top, disingenuous, and intimidating to the victim, and Alford was rightly slapped by Skorton's investigators.
 
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