koralakers
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Exactly. Most BIG teams play 10 P5 teams. Meanwhile $EC teams play 8, and then 4 games against Towson State.
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guffus
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Does it matter what others are doing? So Iowa misses a bowl game because it goes 5-7 instead of 6-6 with a weak schedule. Is that a bad thing? Iowa's bowl record might improve.
And did you notice that NW and Purdue both played 11 P5 teams last year? Guess what, Purdue and NW still made it to a bowl game and still beat Iowa. In fact NW won the division.
ibahawkeye
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At this point ISU has an OT win over UNI at home.
As their resume improves with wins so will the quality of this win.
As their resume improves with wins so will the quality of this win.
Seth53
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This.
When the CFPOs expand to eight teams, SoS will mean everything, and thus, teams won't be scheduling the pansies anymore. Think of NCAA BB for example. I know scheduling is done several years out but games will certainly be "rearranged" for the expansion.
The pansies will wilt financially as nobody will pay them a million bucks anymore, unless you're a rebuilding team (read: ISU) who needs Ws. The chasm between Div-I and IA will grow immensely.
The Power 5 fan base will be rewarded handsomely with marquee games week in and week out.
dahlhawk
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What has pissed me off in the past is ISU plays us tough and losses to shitty teams the rest of the year. HOPEFULLY, ISMoo has some big wins this year. That will give us cred later in the season when polls matter. I still don't like the game cause of insufferable ISMoo fans.
FirstDownHawkeyes
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Limiting this game to less than every year is only bc of the 9 game B1G slate not realistically allowing another P5 game to be scheduled. PU and NW may not care as much about losing a home game and it's revenue but Iowa does bc it sells a lot of tickets. BUT, if Iowa finally does end up making this an every other year game, the substitute game needs to be a marque game and not Pitt or an AZ team. It needs to be TX, a top 4 SEC team, ND or a top tier PAC team.
Very good point. The last 2 years have been different though. ISU has been a top 30ish team over that span and was even ranked in the top 25 a bit. 3 weeks in 2017 and I believe the final 4 weeks of last season.
I for one will be pulling for them the rest of the way. I understand the hate between ISU and Iowa on game day but after that we should be pulling for each other. It only does good for both programs and the state in general.
Full Disclaimer: I don't live anywhere near Ames/DM and never have. So I've never had to deal with Wind Chicken fans talking shit.
1977Hawkeye
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While I generally agree with the no-win sentiment as far as this game goes, I've always kind of enjoyed the game itself. Rivalry games are always fun.
If Iowa is all that, then its a game we should win most of the time (5 game winning streak, so there). If we can't beat ISU, then IMO it really doesn't matter much who we schedule.
That said, I wouldn't mind the ISU game so much if we had someone besides the sisters of the poor on our non-con. Even the days earlier in the KF era where we played teams like Pitt, Arizona, etc. Those were solid opponents.
If Iowa is all that, then its a game we should win most of the time (5 game winning streak, so there). If we can't beat ISU, then IMO it really doesn't matter much who we schedule.
That said, I wouldn't mind the ISU game so much if we had someone besides the sisters of the poor on our non-con. Even the days earlier in the KF era where we played teams like Pitt, Arizona, etc. Those were solid opponents.
FirstDownHawkeyes
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The Pitt/AZ game instead is PSU...hardly sisters of the poor.
kicker22
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But we've already got Sisters of the Poor's Illinois campus on the schedule already. I see your point, but lets not play the SEC card where conference feeders get ignored simply because of their conference affiliation. I think we can all agree that our schedule could get tougher, whether we or others schools will ever truly beef up schedules is a different story.
archiehawk
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Good arguments are both sides of the issue. My two cents are pretty simple. When we win this game all I get is a feeling of oh well when we lose it I go into a deep depression. It sucks. lol
blubberhawk
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Speaking of "Sisters of the Poor":
Almighty Alabama playing Duke, New Mex. St., Southern Miss and West Carolina this year. Why the hell should Iowa schedule tougher than Alabama?
As far as playing ISU, dump their hateful asses and play ANYONE else.
Ree4
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I enjoy playing Iowa State every year, it's agonizing when we lose and a relief when we win - but your point is hard to argue.
hawkeyes87
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1) because Iowa doesn't have Bama's reputation / credibility / exposure / buzz
I've never said I expect the Hawks to be a playoff team, but they can and should be doing more to elevate these things for the sake of recruiting.
2) we're scheduling well below Bama, actually. Last year they played Louisville, 2 years ago they opened w/ FSU (when the Noles were, what, #3?). Next year they open w/ USC. Year after that they open w/ Miami(FL)
Wisky plays ND the next 2 years, then Wazu for 2 years, then Bama (again) for 2 years. But what the hell do they know?
okeefe4prez
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Bama has tried to schedule a good game every year, but they couldn't predict the extent to which the ACC was going to collapse. It's actually getting harder to get top tier games because no one wants that early loss hung on them in the modern era of the playoff.
hawkeyes87
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Couldn't predict it, but they definitely helped cause it.
I can't think of a cfb programming ever collapsing like FSU's has since then. Without any off-field circumstances, anyway.
InGoodCo
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While I agree that once it IS expanded to 8, SOS is likely going to be a bigger determining factor when deciding who the last few teams to get in is.... it makes ABSOLUTELY no sense for Iowa, in the CFP current state, to schedule another P5 team because SOS is virtually meaningless at this stage. I mean, it means absolutely 0. The SEC continues to play 8 or 9 P5 teams every season while the B1G plays 10 at a minimum. Guess who keeps getting left out of the show? In fact, one of the big buzz stories around the B1G media day this year was going back to an 8 game conference schedule. When the B1G went to 9 - it did absolutely NOTHING for it and actually made the road more difficult. Making your path to the ultimate goal harder with the perimeters in place is about the worst business model you can have. So, while I agree in your theory that it IS going to matter....it was supposed to matter when we went to 4 too and so far, it absolutely hasn't one single bit.
We’ve won the game in most years but I certainly wouldn’t call it one sided. It’s generally a competitive game and the clowns certainly could have beaten us this year and others so this is light yrs from the Hayden beat down days when this game was a mere after thought
You seriously need to get it through your head that iowa isn’t a playoff caliber football team with this staff. If it was, the scheduling talk wouldn’t even be a topic of discussion. Nor would who the next coach would, clock mgmt or bary garta
