Style points count....

[sergeanthulka]

How is scoring another meaningless touchdown in the last minute and 20 seconds making your team better? I would argue that having the score be closer would be a better motivational/teaching tool to your team.

It was classless, just like the ridiculous stats padding that Urban pulled with Saint Tim last year. P. O. S.

Are you really asking how running actual plays could benefit your team, rather than taking a knee? I mean, why practice at all...

I'm not a sympathetic guy when it comes to running up the score, but for heavens sake, did UF even have 30 pts at the time???

 

[BradBanks02]

Sure does:
Kirk Herbstreit Week One:
Iowa-6
Oklahoma-13

Week Two
Iowa-10
Oklahoma-6

 

[yaman3]

Sure, they count now, but who cares? Win all your games. Most of the time if you win all 12 games by a combined 12 points, you will be in the championship. Style points only matter early on. Once you lose it doesn't matter how many you beat everyone else by. Yes, I do think you need to go undefeated to make the BCS Championship this year.

 

[yaman3]

So what, we only win by 30 and get jumped.

Meanwhile, Boise St blows a 17 point lead, is behind with like 2 minutes to go, and VTech still had a chance to win in the final minute... and they are also rewarded.

Which is it, Jon? Do style points matter or not?

Because you, like the pollsters, seems to think that style points only matter when you want or need them to matter.

And just to further show how inconsistent things are: #16 LSU beats #18 UNC by 6, yet doesn't move up, while UNC drops out of the top 25.

I actually agree with the LSU/UNC thing. UNC was down a bunch of guys and LSU barely beat them indicating to me that LSU is not that much better, therefor making UNC worse.

 

[MNHawkeyeFreak]

So what, we only win by 30 and get jumped.

Meanwhile, Boise St blows a 17 point lead, is behind with like 2 minutes to go, and VTech still had a chance to win in the final minute... and they are also rewarded.

Which is it, Jon? Do style points matter or not?

Because you, like the pollsters, seems to think that style points only matter when you want or need them to matter.

And just to further show how inconsistent things are: #16 LSU beats #18 UNC by 6, yet doesn't move up, while UNC drops out of the top 25.

It sure doesn't make sense...at least not for Iowa...if I recall last year, despite winning (or almost losing depending on how you look at it) to UNI, we dropped in the polls. Week 2 we won our second game in a row and still dropped again! All we heard all year was "Iowa sure doesn't win purdy" Yuck. Yuck. Hey...all that matters is that we won.

And...I still wish we had gone for just one more touchdown last weekend with 9 secs to go...

 

[JAHayes23]

It sure doesn't make sense...at least not for Iowa...if I recall last year, despite winning (or almost losing depending on how you look at it) to UNI, we dropped in the polls. Week 2 we won our second game in a row and still dropped again! All we heard all year was "Iowa sure doesn't win purdy" Yuck. Yuck. Hey...all that matters is that we won.

And...I still wish we had gone for just one more touchdown last weekend with 9 secs to go...

I defy someone to explain to me how a 72-0 win over New Mexico (who btw is probably the worst FBS school and lost 6 games last year by 20 points or more) is that much more impressive than a 37-7 win over an FCS team that won their conference and is expected to win their conference again? Top 8 FCS school is better than a bottom 20 FBS school.

 

[CalvaryHawk]

Minor detail: just rewatched the game and Iowa's second string did, in fact, pass at least once in the final drive. They did not, however, call a timeout to allow them to score again in the closing seconds.

This will all be meaningless if we lose a game, anyway, and I don't expect an unblemished record. Let's wait until we are in the last few weeks of the season before we start coming unglued over rankings and getting jobbed out of the title game. I'd still be very happy to "only" lose two games.
-Greg

 

[DDThompson]

Iowa could have scored more points if they had wanted, but it is really not the way Kirk does things. The offense ran all running plays on the last drive and I don't think any Adam and many of the other starters were in there, but I am not sure. Oregon and others may run up a score to jump in the polls and score style points, the Hawks, not so much.

Jon's point isn't about the last drive. Of course, Kirk isn't going to run up the score -- unless, of course, the other team can't stop simple rushing plays from the backups.

It wouldn't have been running up the score in the 3rd quarter if Iowa hangs onto the ball. 50+ points without running up the score was a possibility.

Doesn't matter. A win is a win.

 

[Healzya]

Sure does:
Kirk Herbstreit Week One:
Iowa-6
Oklahoma-13

Week Two
Iowa-10
Oklahoma-6

Herbstreit has been going on and on about Oklahoma all off season. He thinks they are going to roll. I'm surprised he didn't have them higher to start with.

 

[Lucky77777s]

Iowa's two fumbles in 3rd Q v Eastern Illinois kept them from hanging 50 on the Panthers...might have staved off Oregon leap frogging them.

Didn't we also end the game 6 yards from the endzone? Probably could have pushed that one in as well.

Then you figure they scored their only points after a fake punt on 4th and 6 on their own 20.

We dominated the game, and it very easily could have been 50+ to 0.

 

[burky247]

How is scoring another meaningless touchdown in the last minute and 20 seconds making your team better? I would argue that having the score be closer would be a better motivational/teaching tool to your team.

It was classless, just like the ridiculous stats padding that Urban pulled with Saint Tim last year. P. O. S.

Hayden did it all the time. Was he classless? I think your bias against Urban is affecting your posts. Nothing wrong at all with playing the game to its conclusion. Especially in the first game of the year, when you have looked like crap most of the game.

 

[Jeebus]

Hayden did it all the time. Was he classless? I think your bias against Urban is affecting your posts. Nothing wrong at all with playing the game to its conclusion. Especially in the first game of the year, when you have looked like crap most of the game.

Would Kirk do it?


Playing the game to it's conclusion? Classy people take a knee. Urban has proven he is not classy.

 

[Benddontbreak]

I specifically remember 2 years ago when Florida was beating S. Carolina by 40+ points with 7 or 8 min left in the 4th quarter and they had Tim Tebow still in, taking shots at the end zone, and actually throwing a td from 8 yards out. Urban does this kinda crap all the time. He loves boosting his players' stats.

 

[LutherHawk]

Would Kirk do it?


Playing the game to it's conclusion? Classy people take a knee. Urban has proven he is not classy.

Sorry, dude, I live in the real world (along with voters who just look at box scores). When Nebraska/Oregon/Florida run up the score, it only HELPS their poll rankings. And in this day and age of college football, rankings matter in the end. It matters in which bowl game you get invited to, which translates to more money and more exposure for your program. Also, upping your player's stats gets that player and program talked about in the media.

I respect Ferentz, but on this point he is missing the boat - especially in light of the impression the media has of last year's team and all the close wins to inferior opponents. It's time to step up and play big boy football...this is not Pop Warner with little kids where you might hurt someone's feelings.

 

[burky247]

Would Kirk do it?


Playing the game to it's conclusion? Classy people take a knee. Urban has proven he is not classy.

It doesn't matter if Kirk would do it. Tressel wouldn't do it either. They have different styles than some other coaches. That alone doesn't make them "more classy". Again, I considered Hayden a very classy coach as well. And he ran up the score quite a bit against inferior opponents. JoePa is another coach that tends to use the entire game for his benefit.

 

[storminspank]

It's Week One.

I'm not worried about style points yet. If this was Week 10, we could be worried.

 

[homerHAWKeye777]

It doesn't matter if Kirk would do it. Tressel wouldn't do it either. They have different styles than some other coaches. That alone doesn't make them "more classy". Again, I considered Hayden a very classy coach as well. And he ran up the score quite a bit against inferior opponents. JoePa is another coach that tends to use the entire game for his benefit.

Just because the score isn't being run up doesn't mean that the entire game isn't being used for the team's benefit. In fact, I'd argue that Ferentz actually uses the entire game BETTER when it comes to the development and improvement of the team.

When you run up the score, that tends to occur when a team is executing their "brean and butter" and when then team takes risks looking for the low percentage "big plays" (like long passes, etc).

In contrast, early in the season, and particularly against less talented teams ... Iowa specifically seems to construct game-plans that help the team to shore up weaknesses and improve in areas where improvement is most needed. I frankly love that philosophy because it's a big reason why Iowa tends to improve as the season goes on. Furthermore, it helps make the O harder to defend in the long run.

 

[Jeebus]

That alone doesn't make them "more classy". .

Oh, but it does. If you want to tell yourself differently that is your prerogative.

 

[Crimson]

I think that Iowa should concentrate on winning games and let the chips fall where they may. ISU can and will beat Iowa if Iowa isn't focused.