Steve Alford new coach at UCLA

JHHawk said:
If you read the official report,they do not accuse SA of orchestrating the meeting between Goodrich and the victim. If they had evidence of that, he could have been fired,with no payout. BB and SA denied any knowledge of the Goodrich meeting until afterward when they told him to not do that.

Again, in the report,they say that BB did instruct SA to support PP in his comments....not making that up, read the report. They said that SA was too obtuse to understand that he should not be insensitive to the victim in those comments supporting PP. SA was a bungling hick, no doubt, and he misspoke horrendously,but the report does indicate that BB told him directly to show support for PP in his comments to the media.

I am not defending SA or anyone in authority like BB or Jones,but they all screwed it up royally,not just SA. The report says as much.
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Oh ok, Bowlsby should have coached Alford on what he should and should not say to support Pierce. I've read the report and a decent human being would not take that and twist it to end up saying "I totally believe he's innocent. I believed it from Day 1 and I still believe it." Alford was trying to cover up for his player, further proof of that is when he got his buddy at Athletes in Action involved to try and quiet her. While the report does not come right out and say Alford was the one who involved them it did say they had connections to Alford. Of course no one has proof of that, you think Alford is going to come out and admit it?

His statements today clearly state he accepts no responsibility over what happened, instead he pushes all the blame at the U of I and its lawyers. Funny, we would have long forgotten all about this had he just came out and apologized for even a small part of what happened.
 
Billso said:
Note also that Goodrich issued that statement afterwards claiming the victim contacted them first. The victim insisted they initiated contact, and the investigation report sides with her.
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Good lord, it's like you guys know nothing of how college basketball works. Maybe Alford had his boy initiate it, maybe he didn't. Maybe his boy initiated, maybe he didn't. If Iowa is going to land big time, impact players the program needs a bag man or a series of bag men to handle the dirty work. You think Calipari was anywhere near the alleged $250k that allegedly landed on a certain recent number 1 draft pick's door step? Hell no. Doesn't even know anything about it. It's called plausible deniability and Alford is a master at it, which is why I think, notwithstanding some of his X and O shortfalls that show up on occasion, he's going to be a good coach for a program like UCLA.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Dude, don't even try. These proles have made their minds up about Alford. Of course, they also convicted the Duke Lacrosse Team on no facts. They can't be reasoned with.
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You are a lawyer, right? How would you feel if you were one of the attorney's hired by the University and listen to Alford answer the reporters question basically putting you at blame?

Did they teach you defamation in law school?
 
ssckelley said:
You are a lawyer, right? How would you feel if you were one of the attorney's hired by the University and listen to Alford answer the reporters question basically putting you at blame?

Did they teach you defamation in law school?
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Doesn't bother me one bit. The default answer for almost every mistake ever made in every big company in this country is "legal said it was okay." Good lawyers will be careful about what they put in writing in case it gets leaked or erroneously disclosed and blows privilege because it can be a goldmine for a plaintiff and can cause PR problems.

As for defamation, good luck proving (a) what was said, (b) that it was said with the requisite intent to form an intentional tort and (c) that it caused damages.
 
Goodrich had a previous relationship with both the victim and PP,so he is saying that he arranged that meeting himself,having counseled both parties prior to this time.

If SA had orchestrated this meeting(and he was never there,btw), he would have been fired.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Doesn't bother me one bit. The default answer for almost every mistake ever made in every big company in this country is "legal said it was okay." Good lawyers will be careful about what they put in writing in case it gets leaked or erroneously disclosed and blows privilege because it can be a goldmine for a plaintiff and can cause PR problems.

As for defamation, good luck proving (a) what was said, (b) that it was said with the requisite intent to form an intentional tort and (c) that it caused damages.
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So where was the mistake made, Iowa? Alford is not to blame for any of this, right?
 
ssckelley said:
So where was the mistake made, Iowa? Alford is not to blame for any of this, right?
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Specifically, to what mistake do you refer?

If Pierce didn't get busted again and the Hawks had more success and built a better program, Alford would be a legend in Iowa City.
 
ssckelley said:
So where was the mistake made, Iowa? Alford is not to blame for any of this, right?
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Who is saying that SA is blameless? He is definitely to blame for his insensitive comments as the report indicated. So, technically,he was evasive in his response today,saying he was just following orders...not exactly Stevo. Look, I dislike the guy,I just an trying to use the factual findings of the report as the basis for accusations against SA, unlike a shock jock like Bernstein. Hammer SA for what he did, but PP is the one who inflicted the damage in the first place,not SA.
 
JHHawk said:
Who is saying that SA is blameless? He is definitely to blame for his insensitive comments as the report indicated. So, technically,he was evasive in his response today,saying he was just following orders...not exactly Stevo. Look, I dislike the guy,I just an trying to use the factual findings of the report as the basis for accusations against SA, unlike a shock jock like Bernstein. Hammer SA for what he did, but PP is the one who inflicted the damage in the first place,not SA.
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First, hammer the State. A guy caught with meth would have served way more jail time than PP and not had the luxury of leaving the state. Second, hammer the school. The school shouldn't let dudes with those sorts of offenses continue in good standing at the school. Third, if you must, hammer Alford. The school got the message, though, and you're seeing them take a tougher stance with respect to student athletes.
 
ssckelley said:
Anything, Alford made zero mistakes in handling the Pierce incident?



uh, ok...............
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I need to know what mistake you refer to.

And again, if Alford had taken a team to the Final Four and leveraged it into top recruiting classes that kept us around the top 25 every year, the guy would have absolutely been a legend no matter what happened with Pierce. No one had a problem cheering for Alford in 2005-2006 when we were good. It's just that everyone got butthurt when we started to slide and then events from the past became the reason because no one could admit that when you crap on a legend the way our fan base did to Tom Davis, there is this little thing called karma that will come back to bite you.
 
okeefe4prez said:
I need to know what mistake you refer to.

And again, if Alford had taken a team to the Final Four and leveraged it into top recruiting classes that kept us around the top 25 every year, the guy would have absolutely been a legend no matter what happened with Pierce. No one had a problem cheering for Alford in 2005-2006 when we were good. It's just that everyone got butthurt when we started to slide and then events from the past became the reason because no one could admit that when you crap on a legend the way our fan base did to Tom Davis, there is this little thing called karma that will come back to bite you.
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You are wrong. I cheered for the players in 05-06 but couldn't bring myself to want them to win, because I hated Alford that bad. And not solely because of the PP incident. I absolutely could not stand his arrogant, clueless attitude. Blaming the players for every loss, never once taking any responsibility, was enough to turn me completely against him. Of course, I didn't like him from the start. He was a ***** as a player, too, and I wasn't happy when he was hired.
 
Billso said:
Not kicking Pierce off the team immediately. Which didn't require any legislators, or school administrators, or lawyers, or The State, or any other irrelevancy you've cited.
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Immediately as in when immediately? 10 seconds after allegations were lobbed?
 
okeefe4prez said:
Specifically, to what mistake do you refer?

If Pierce didn't get busted again and the Hawks had more success and built a better program, Alford would be a legend in Iowa City.
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But he didn't, and he isn't. The fact remains that he defended PP and threw around his influence and what popularity he had at the time to downplay the incident and the claims by the victim.

Honestly OK4P, I usually love your persona around here, but you're out of touch on this one. Take off your lawyer hat and put on your "decent citizen" hat. Alford is a slime, always has been, always will be. He's left a path of destruction from Iowa City to New Mexico and now to LA. He's only out for himself and he'll knock down anyone who stands in his way. My proof of that? Every interview he has ever given. Ever. Iowan's are great at judging character. Most Iowan's despise Alford, and that began long before he left for UNM.
 
okeefe4prez said:
I need to know what mistake you refer to.

And again, if Alford had taken a team to the Final Four and leveraged it into top recruiting classes that kept us around the top 25 every year, the guy would have absolutely been a legend no matter what happened with Pierce. No one had a problem cheering for Alford in 2005-2006 when we were good. It's just that everyone got butthurt when we started to slide and then events from the past became the reason because no one could admit that when you crap on a legend the way our fan base did to Tom Davis, there is this little thing called karma that will come back to bite you.
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What world do you live in? Did I miss some run to the final four during is tenure at Iowa? Last I checked he lost in the NCAA first round with probably the best team that Iowa has had in the past 15 years. That team could have done some serious damage had they made it past mighty 14 seed Northwestern St. It doesn't change anything though, while it might have been tolerated in the short term, he wouldn't be a legend. He would have left Iowa in 2008 after IU fired coach Samson. Just like if he can be successful at UCLA (consistently beating 14 seeds would be a good start) and Crean gets fired he will leave in a second for IU.

All that being said, do you really think he made no mistakes in the way he handled the situation? The guy wears a WWJD bracelet to give him guidance and all he does is follows orders? Complete BS.
 
Idk if this has been mentioned already because I'm not reading 14 pages of these monster paragraphs but Neal got the gig at NM...
 
okeefe4prez said:
I need to know what mistake you refer to.
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My gawd, the entire Pierce fiasco! You need to stop playing dumb. Did Alford make any mistakes surrounding the Pierce incident or do you feel he is blameless? If so, what?

And again, if Alford had taken a team to the Final Four and leveraged it into top recruiting classes that kept us around the top 25 every year, the guy would have absolutely been a legend no matter what happened with Pierce. No one had a problem cheering for Alford in 2005-2006 when we were good. It's just that everyone got butthurt when we started to slide and then events from the past became the reason because no one could admit that when you crap on a legend the way our fan base did to Tom Davis, there is this little thing called karma that will come back to bite you.
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None of this matters, Lick did far worse than Alford and I guarantee you will not see 13 page threads if he gets another coaching job. The fact of the matter is not only did Alford not fulfill expectations as a coach, he turned out to be a crap human being.
 
The only thing you need to know about Alford is this....NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, is ever his fault. If his team loses, its because they weren't tough enough, or they couldnt make shots or they didnt follow the game plan....NEVER because of his pi$$ poor coaching. Same with the Pierce incident....it wasnt his fault, he was just doing what the administration and attorneys told him to do.

This is what you get when you have a guy that was coddled and worshipped his entire life and who never had to pay his dues in the profession. You get a guy who doesnt know how to handle failure or tough times. A guy like that reverts back to what he knows.....which is "i'm the greatest, how dare you question me, and its everyone else's fault but mine".

Those arent the actions of a man, but of an immature adolescent in a grown mans body who was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple.
 
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