Starting RB

[OatesStache]

Bullock starts...but you will see Johnson and you will see Barkley Hill. Hill will be the main guy by game four. I think he's the real deal from watching his film. I know it's a different level of competition, but it wasn't like he was playing against 1A competition in HS. I just think he's going to fit into the running scheme and he's bigger than Bullock or Garmon.

This is Johnson's year to either show it, or get past up by younger players. He has the potential to be a Fred Russell type of player, but his time is running out to earn minutes.
He would be a great change of pace type back, who hides behind linemen then darts through tiny holes. I'm hoping he makes the grade.

Yeah, I am sure your film analysis is just spot on...

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Yeah, I am sure your film analysis is just spot on...

We'll see won't we. All I can say this point is that his film looks pretty damn good against good competition. Now if he plays early and plays a major role in the backfield, do you come back and say, gee, maybe this guy was right.

He's 210-215 pounds now, and he's a slasher with some burst. I like his chances.

How about having an opinion on the subject, rather than being a ******.

 

[FreddyHawk]

If Canzeri was healthy it would certainly be him. I do think it will be Bullock because he has not gotten hurt, done something stupid, etc. I really do think that Garmon will play a huge role though. If not by RB right away he will contribute in the return game for sure, especially kick returns. I think that the coaching staff will slowly work him into the fold and by big ten play I think it will be split between him and Bullock, with some Johnson sprinkled in there. When it comes to RB it is always something we don't expect isn't it?

agreed.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

The real question is, who's going to be the next Iowa RB to actually play all 4 years in a row, he11, let's make that 3?

I think Albert Young was the last RB to actually play 4 yrs in a row.

 

[DesMoinesHawki]

Ferentz always plays it safe first game, I don't expect to see hill in until game 2. Garmon may be game 3 because of his recent trouble. I bet bullock Johnson and Rogers with bullock getting the start

Agree 100 percent. Kirk will go with the "veterans" until the frosh work their way into the lineup. I eventually think Garmon will get the call. You have to go with your most talented players so I think eventually the frosh will work their into a more prominent role.

 

[OatesStache]

We'll see won't we. All I can say this point is that his film looks pretty damn good against good competition. Now if he plays early and plays a major role in the backfield, do you come back and say, gee, maybe this guy was right.

He's 210-215 pounds now, and he's a slasher with some burst. I like his chances.

How about having an opinion on the subject, rather than being a ******.

So I should just accept that your "film analysis" (aka watching highlight clips on You Tube and "analyzing" them with years of homer message board experience) because it might be true?

If that is the case, I demand you accept my prediction that James Vandenberg will get super powers from nuclear fallout and become a hulk like battering ram who moves to full back.

 

[UweBlab]

Ferentz always plays it safe first game, I don't expect to see hill in until game 2. Garmon may be game 3 because of his recent trouble. I bet bullock Johnson and Rogers with bullock getting the start

Agree 100 percent. Kirk will go with the "veterans" until the frosh work their way into the lineup. I eventually think Garmon will get the call. You have to go with your most talented players so I think eventually the frosh will work their into a more prominent role.

Agree also. Just depends on how stubborn KF is. He will probably just play Bullock and Johnson at first. I would like to see him use non con games to just play all 4 a lot of carries to see who might step up. I really do believe one of the freshman, my guess Hill, will outshine the others. I also feel Bullock will be a nice, consistent yard gainer who will also break a few big runs and have a lot to say about who the starter is.

Sorry AIRBHG. A running back will be a breakout player this year. Nice try with Canzeri and Garmon.

 

[Foval21]

We'll see won't we. All I can say this point is that his film looks pretty damn good against good competition. Now if he plays early and plays a major role in the backfield, do you come back and say, gee, maybe this guy was right.He's 210-215 pounds now, and he's a slasher with some burst. I like his chances. How about having an opinion on the subject, rather than being a ******.

So I should just accept that your "film analysis" (aka watching highlight clips on You Tube and "analyzing" them with years of homer message board experience) because it might be true?If that is the case, I demand you accept my prediction that James Vandenberg will get super powers from nuclear fallout and become a hulk like battering ram who moves to full back.

take it for what it is worth or not, believe me or not, i have seen hill play live 4 times. the kid seems legit. he is the rb i am highest on. he has arob type toughness with more speed, quickness, and athleticism. maybe he doesnt live up to it but with all the speed guys without true power running it could be tough. hill is a between tackles runner and he had a teammate that got the ball a lot too...so he did his record breaking while sharing the ball.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

So I should just accept that your "film analysis" (aka watching highlight clips on You Tube and "analyzing" them with years of homer message board experience) because it might be true?

If that is the case, I demand you accept my prediction that James Vandenberg will get super powers from nuclear fallout and become a hulk like battering ram who moves to full back.

Well, do you ever think people on these boards know what they are talking about. Maybe they have played the game and have a more thorough understanding of what they are seeing.

Recruiting can be hit and miss, but when Hill has the year he had last year against the competition he was facing, you have to take notice. When you look at his measurables, you have to take notice...he has a legit college RB body entering as a freshman.

Now, in watching his tapes, there were three things I noticed and why I said what I said in an earlier post.

1) He had the game speed to outrun the angles in HS consistently.
2) He had great vision, and you could tell he was seeing defenders in his peripheral vision. He wasn't just running on instinct, he was setting people up and making cuts to open turf.
3) When in traffic, he got low when taking on contact...I never saw him taken backward...ever, in the tape I saw. He was always moving forward.

The guy has the body, work ethic, and a ton of natural ability. You don't put up those kind of numbers against that level of competition, without being legit. Now, he will have to learn complex protection schemes and blocking assignments, but if he shows skill there...he plays.

What's your take...ahole.

 

[OatesStache]

My take?

You still don't know what you're talking about, that's my take.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

My take?

You still don't know what you're talking about, that's my take.

That's brilliant. So you are too stupid to have your own opinion. Pretty impressive, and to make it so apparent with your "you don't know anything" stance and "I'm calling you out." You can refute anything...you just know.

So, what exactly do you find objectionable to the comments I made about Barkley Hill. Here's where I want you to impart your wisdom upon the rest of the board. Let's hear all that football knowledge and insight come pouring out of you.

Crickets...you probably never played the game. That's my take...

Hey moron, people come on these boards to have discussions with other Hawkeye fans about the players and games. There are people on here that have a pretty solid football IQ...and insight. If you don't have anything to say other than "you don't know what you're talking about"...don't come on the board. If you want to disagree...actually put together an argument or position.

It won't happen...though...you will come back again and say, "but you don't know what you are talking about." You, my friend, are a mental midget. Sorry, mental small person.

 

[Foval21]

My take?You still don't know what you're talking about, that's my take.

That's brilliant. So you are too stupid to have your own opinion. Pretty impressive, and to make it so apparent with your "you don't know anything" stance and "I'm calling you out." You can refute anything...you just know.So, what exactly do you find objectionable to the comments I made about Barkley Hill. Here's where I want you to impart your wisdom upon the rest of the board. Let's hear all that football knowledge and insight come pouring out of you. Crickets...you probably never played the game. That's my take...Hey moron, people come on these boards to have discussions with other Hawkeye fans about the players and games. There are people on here that have a pretty solid football IQ...and insight. If you don't have anything to say other than "you don't know what you're talking about"...don't come on the board. If you want to disagree...actually put together an argument or position. It won't happen...though...you will come back again and say, "but you don't know what you are talking about." You, my friend, are a mental midget. Sorry, mental small person.

i believe oatesstache is more against what you say because you said it was from film you've seen...unless you are a coach with access to game film you he is saying the only film you've seen is the highlight tape. and highlight tapes are meant to make the player look good so you cant just go by them. i agree with you on what hill brings to the table as i have seen him live 4 times (not a huge sample but i think i saw enough). i think hill is more of an every down back and bullock and garmon are more complimentary speed backs (but i am not sure on them because all i have seen on garmon is highlights and bullock the same with a few live carries on tv). hard to fully judge on highlights tho i agree with oatesstache on that...but if i had to wager on the rbs on the team who has the best career at iowa my money is on hill.

 

[Johnnyhawkeye]

Hill makes far less athletic players look silly, but I have my doubts that he is going to make a huge impact this season. I'm not saying he can't play but he is stepping into a totally different level than what he has been playing in high school. He may make some runs between the tackles but I really don't see him beating anybody to the corner.

If everybody stays healthy I see Bullock/ Johnson getting the lion's share, and Garmon/Hill getting very little playing time...that's how Kirk rolls unless he has no other option.

For the record I see more overall ability in Garmon than Hill, not based off of star rankings, but that doesn't always translate to playing time at Iowa...ask CJF.

 

[1hawkeye1]

Who do you think will start at running back this your for the hawks?

Do not taunt AIRBHG

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

i believe oatesstache is more against what you say because you said it was from film you've seen...unless you are a coach with access to game film you he is saying the only film you've seen is the highlight tape. and highlight tapes are meant to make the player look good so you cant just go by them. i agree with you on what hill brings to the table as i have seen him live 4 times (not a huge sample but i think i saw enough). i think hill is more of an every down back and bullock and garmon are more complimentary speed backs (but i am not sure on them because all i have seen on garmon is highlights and bullock the same with a few live carries on tv). hard to fully judge on highlights tho i agree with oatesstache on that...but if i had to wager on the rbs on the team who has the best career at iowa my money is on hill.

I get what you are saying about the highlight tapes...they are the best runs/plays of his senior year. It still doesn't change the fact about what's on them and what he was able to accomplish at the HS level. We also know that wasn't single A competition...he played against some pretty good teams...did anyone stop him? I think this kid is every bit as legitimate as Wegher was coming out of high school...Wegher had a very good freshman year...and I think Hill will have a similar type of year.

 

[dyerhawk]

Jason White jumps up from the #2 spot oh wait......

 

[bitmap]

Whoever picks up the blocking scheme with proficiency will get the start. Protecting JVB is job #1. Holding onto the ball will be job #2. Running past defenders is job #3. Proven ability at these three phases will get you farther w/ KF then raw, unproven talent.

The frosh will get their play time when the game is well in hand. If the Hawks are struggling then it's going to be Bullock, Johnson and maybe Rogers. If the Hawks are in control by halftime then we may see the freshman in some sort of rotation the 2nd half.

2009 was similar to this year w/o proven backs. I think Arob got the starts because he could block. BW had the breakaway speed. BW was part of the 1-2 punch because he took care of the ball. There was only one fumble by the pair in the entire season.

Not a lot of productivity there in yards, but they were not liabilities. Arob's blocking was even better in 2010. Coker and Rogers both saw limited touches early on but not until Hampton blew up his knee, Arob self destructed and Rogers heart condition caused worries did we see Coker.

Davis may want more speed but I got to think KF will have a thing or two to say about starting freshman.

 

[Dominate]

I get what you are saying about the highlight tapes...they are the best runs/plays of his senior year. It still doesn't change the fact about what's on them and what he was able to accomplish at the HS level. We also know that wasn't single A competition...he played against some pretty good teams...did anyone stop him? I think this kid is every bit as legitimate as Wegher was coming out of high school...Wegher had a very good freshman year...and I think Hill will have a similar type of year.

I've seen Barclay Hill play during his HS career but am not convinced he is ready to step in day 1 and excel. I think with time he will become a good rb for the Hawks but think some's expectations for him this year are to high. Barclay looked excellent his Sr year against average competition in his division but when matched up against speed and power defenses at the end of the year he was pretty much avg at best. (referring to IA City West and Bettendorf games)
I'm glad he chose IA over ISU and believe that with time/experience Barclay has the potential to be a solid back for the Hawks.

 

[OatesStache]

That's brilliant. So you are too stupid to have your own opinion. Pretty impressive, and to make it so apparent with your "you don't know anything" stance and "I'm calling you out." You can refute anything...you just know.

So, what exactly do you find objectionable to the comments I made about Barkley Hill. Here's where I want you to impart your wisdom upon the rest of the board. Let's hear all that football knowledge and insight come pouring out of you.

Crickets...you probably never played the game. That's my take...

Hey moron, people come on these boards to have discussions with other Hawkeye fans about the players and games. There are people on here that have a pretty solid football IQ...and insight. If you don't have anything to say other than "you don't know what you're talking about"...don't come on the board. If you want to disagree...actually put together an argument or position.

It won't happen...though...you will come back again and say, "but you don't know what you are talking about." You, my friend, are a mental midget. Sorry, mental small person.

As Socrates said, "True wisdom is knowing, that you know nothing". I know I don't know anything about analyzing game film. You don't realize that you know nothing. You think your high school hero days gives you special insight into 2:30 minute YouTube clips. They don't.

I don't have an argument or position, because I understand I don't know what I'm talking about. The question is who will start for Iowa at RB, and ANY guess is a bad guess, because no one knows how any of these players are going to pan out. The walls at Ft. Kinnick are not going to penetrated, and we have no idea how the players look, how they stack up, or what their real potential is at the Big 10 level. Discussing this topic is ******* in to the wind. It's pointless. It's beyond pointless, as is being a dick to anyone daring to doubt your GED in football coaching.

Get over yourself.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

As Socrates said, "True wisdom is knowing, that you know nothing". I know I don't know anything about analyzing game film. You don't realize that you know nothing. You think your high school hero days gives you special insight into 2:30 minute YouTube clips. They don't.

I don't have an argument or position, because I understand I don't know what I'm talking about. The question is who will start for Iowa at RB, and ANY guess is a bad guess, because no one knows how any of these players are going to pan out. The walls at Ft. Kinnick are not going to penetrated, and we have no idea how the players look, how they stack up, or what their real potential is at the Big 10 level. Discussing this topic is ******* in to the wind. It's pointless. It's beyond pointless, as is being a dick to anyone daring to doubt your GED in football coaching.

Get over yourself.

You didn't just throw down Socrates in a football forum did you? Also, if you are going to quote it, at least copy it down right from your internet browser. You apparently don't understand the nature of these boards. If you rule out discussing topics like this, Jon's business dies. Read through the threads...predictions, projections, potential leading rushers, potential leading receivers, young players to step and fill a starting positions...it's what goes on here and it's usually laced with some humor. Why are you here? I enjoy reading some of the post topics and getting others insights. If you are only looking for expert opinions or topics that are clearly defined without need for speculation, you need to listen to Rush Limbaugh. He truly knows everything.

As for your comments about my high school hero days and that contributing to this "not knowing I know nothing" moniker you are so quick to apply, I believe you don't know you know nothing about me. Wow, this stance can be applied to just about anything. Let me surmise...you most likely were beaten up alot or bullied in high school. I don't condone that and seriously think it's wrong. I want you to know I feel bad for you and hope you can overcome this terrible thing that happened to you.