Sorry CJB, don't trust you with 16-pt lead

HomerChampless said:
It's funny. Those who disagree with my ideas of Iowa practice think I need to be at practice to prove my points about practice. I use deduction. For example, I'm going to bring a raincoat tomorrow because I'm confident it's going to rain tomorrow. Not because I can see it rain tomorrow, but because, today, every meteorologist says it's going to rain 1-3 inches tomorrow.

How do I know Jake gets most of the practice time (no question he gets most of the playing time)? The way the first stringers react to CJB's pass. They don't react well. They're still not accustomed to the speed of CJB's pass. Next, I see the change in plays called for CJB in a live game from last to the Indiana game. Next, I see CJB's timing seems to have deteriorated from the last game to the Indiana game. Adding it all up you can conclude Jake got more of the practice time leading up to the Indiana game making Jake the better practice player and the starter.

How was Jake's timing so sharp against Indiana even though he missed the previous 1 1/2 games and consequent practice time? Especially when the QB who practiced the best would be the starter?
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Dumb analogy is dumb. You can use guess (this is your real deductive reasoning) all you want, but there is an exact amount of snaps that CJ took with the #1's and you have no idea what that amount is.

Jakes timing was sharp because he is in his second year of starting, he knows the offense inside and out, and he is a very accurate thrower. Plus JR is a super competitive guy. You think he is just gonna step aside because HomerChampless DEMANDS that KF start CJ over him?
 
OkstHawk said:
Hey, how many times did CJB lose to ISU this season? Just saying...JR hasn't necessarily been tearing it up this season in case you've missed it.
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Pretty sure CJ lost to ISU this season.....unless he was playing for a different team during that game.
 
deanvogs said:
Pretty sure CJ lost to ISU this season.....unless he was playing for a different team during that game.
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If you want to be technical, I don't think he was playing. Don't remember him crapping his pants behind center when the vaunted ISU defense came on their 8 second pass rush...but let me check tape.
 
OkstHawk said:
If you want to be technical, I don't think he was playing. Don't remember him crapping his pants behind center when the vaunted ISU defense came on their 8 second pass rush...but let me check tape.
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Technical or not, CJ (like very other single Hawk player) lost that ISU game. Do you think this is the Ryder cup or something where individual performances are used scoring wise to get a team result? The simple fact is you have no idea if 1st half Purdue/2013 CJ shows up agains ISU or 2nd half Pitt/Purdue CJ shows up. We could have lost the UNI, Ball St., ISU and Indiana games if CJ started, there is no way to prove a win or loss with him at the helm in those games.
 
HomerChampless said:
Ferentz has already made his decision. Rudock is the starter. And CJB isn't going to get any better. He doesn't get enough playing time or practice time to get any better. That's KF's decision, too.

What goes into KF's decision on the starting QB? Certainly not the ability to score points. Certainly not offensive efficiency. It took an injury for CJB to get the start. I don't think what happened today (49 points) has anything to do with Ferentz' decision to name Rudock as starting QB.
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Good grief Homer. Reread this post of yours a few times. You seriously sound like a 3 year old who doesn't want to take a nap.

I get frustrated with KF's conservative nature just as much as the next Hawk fan, but the reality is he's our head coach and his resume is pretty damn good. I'm not in every single practice. I don't see what they see. IMO it would have been nice to see CJ get another series or two today because I think he deserved that, but with the way Rudock started the game and the fact Iowa was able to maintain a little cushion on the lead I totally understand why Ferentz didn't feel the need to get cute with things.

What I don't understand is why people, pretty much the same people like Homer here, continue to get so butthurt about things. It cracks me up really. This is Iowa football. This is Kirk Ferentz football. If you look at the development over the past few years it is painfully obvious that Kirk has been open to change. However, some people just want to do everything in their power to find something to ***** and moan about.

Me? I prefer to sit back and enjoy the fact Iowa is 5-1 and they are right in the thick of things in the B10 West. Sure the schedule has been as easy as it gets, but 5-1 is 5-1. I predicted a 9 win season prior to the season and they are on pace for that or possibly even more. Will they get there... who knows? But what's the point in complaining right now? That's just not in my nature.

I prefer to look at the positives:

1. Hawks have two QB's that are capable of playing winning football.
2. Some playmakers are emerging on offense (T. Smith, J. Parker. D. Powell).
3. The young inexperienced LBs are slowly getting more accustomed to playing (Bower, Jewell, Spearman).
4. D. King is a freaking stud.
5. The defensive line play has been as expected... pretty damn good.
6. Marshall Koehn seems to be getting his confidence back, and damn he has a leg for kickoffs.

Iowa really has things set up quite nicely for them right now. They just need to keep getting better every week. They have a nucleus of players right now that are capable of making this a damn good season. If the linebackers continue to get better, the running game continues to move in the right direction, and the QB's can keep managing these games I don't see a match-up on the schedule that Iowa can't win.
 
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deanvogs said:
Dumb analogy is dumb. You can use guess (this is your real deductive reasoning) all you want, but there is an exact amount of snaps that CJ took with the #1's and you have no idea what that amount is.

Jakes timing was sharp because he is in his second year of starting, he knows the offense inside and out, and he is a very accurate thrower. Plus JR is a super competitive guy. You think he is just gonna step aside because HomerChampless DEMANDS that KF start CJ over him?
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At least you generally understand deductive reasoning, I'll give you that credit. You don't have to witness an event to report on it accurately. People have been convicted using a whole lot of extenuating circumstances. No, that series of deductive reasoning I've posted doesn't add up to an analogy..

You're right, I don't exactly know how many snaps CJB took with the ones but I do know Jake took a whole lot more snaps with the ones leading up to the Indiana game... a whole lot more snaps overall. I've already made my case on this.

Will KF attempt to have the snaps between QBs equal in future practices leading up to games? I think that's a good question if he wants to seem fair when using the hottest hand in practice is the starter quip. Is KF trying to placate the fan base by trying to make it look like a fair QB competition with his hottest hand in practice quip? It's obvious the QB participation in practice isn't equal and, using Ferentzes' own definition of starter, Rudock will always be that starter. Ferentz has rigged the competition... it's not really a competition.

You want to use Jake's game experience to explain how Jake quickly snapped back to starter form? Did he remember his form from last season? 'Cause he'd regressed from last season. His picks were down but so were his yards per pass and the team's offensive efficiency. You want to blame that on a lack of running game? Maybe so, but Iowa doesn't have the running game it had last season. This season, Iowa's offense leans more heavily on the pass than in KF's wildest nightmares.

I want to put Iowa's offense under a microscope because Iowa's defense is going to be leaning on Iowa's offense and KF is incapable of running the offense. And I probably buried this lead.
 
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HomerChampless said:
It's funny. Those who disagree with my ideas of Iowa practice think I need to be at practice to prove my points about practice. I use deduction. For example, I'm going to bring a raincoat tomorrow because I'm confident it's going to rain tomorrow. Not because I can see it rain tomorrow, but because, today, every meteorologist says it's going to rain 1-3 inches tomorrow.

How do I know Jake gets most of the practice time (no question he gets most of the playing time)? The way the first stringers react to CJB's pass. They don't react well. They're still not accustomed to the speed of CJB's pass. Next, I see the change in plays called for CJB in a live game from last to the Indiana game. Next, I see CJB's timing seems to have deteriorated from the last game to the Indiana game. Adding it all up you can conclude Jake got more of the practice time leading up to the Indiana game making Jake the better practice player and the starter.

How was Jake's timing so sharp against Indiana even though he missed the previous 1 1/2 games and consequent practice time? Especially when the QB who practiced the best would be the starter?
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Elementary, my dear Watson. As we toured the new football facilities last week, I was able to sneak into the football locker room. Fortunately the laundry staff had not removed the soiled clothing from the players from their practice. i was able to find Rudock and Beathard's genital supporters and based on the amount of sweat and smell deduced that Rudock had taken more snaps at practice. It appears, however, that Beathard has bigger balls and a larger penis.

Homer, this scenario makes more sense than what your post.
 
OkstHawk said:
Honestly, if you are going to say something about somebody else embarrassing themselves, you should first proofread your posts.
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I believe reading comprehension is offered to folks of all ages. Google it for your area...you can do it by ZIP code, town, etc.
 
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Really? More like sorry golden Jesus Namath, jake played very well and you really didn't so we stayed with jake. I don't know what person with a functioning cerebrllum watching that game that says jake didn't play well and sunshine did and should have had more snaps. Compare drives, completions, yards, points, etc. There is zero point discussing if you think Goldie should have been getting snaps.
 
HawkeyeMHA said:
Really? More like sorry golden Jesus Namath, jake played very well and you really didn't so we stayed with jake. I don't know what person with a functioning cerebrllum watching that game that says jake didn't play well and sunshine did and should have had more snaps. Compare drives, completions, yards, points, etc. There is zero point discussing if you think Goldie should have been getting snaps.
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ColoradoHAWKEYE said:
Dude we don't win 2 of those games with Ruduck in at qb, injury or no injury. He was not getting it done. Now the leash may have been on a bit tight initially, but without the competition at qb and some heat on the coaches...ruduck would not be a shoe in for the position.

Ruduck played well, and I was an initial JR supporter, but even after today I'm not convinced. Time will tell.
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Of COURSE we don't beat Pitt if JR plays QB the whole game.... he was INJURED late in the first half! And of COURSE we don't win playing JR at QB for the Purdue game... he was INJURED! An injured JR is not as good as a healthy CJB. Hip/upper leg injuries tend to affect your play, ya know?
 
Watched a replay of the game. I think Jake locked up the starting job and my guess is we see less and less of CJ. Jake played well Saturday ... It's strange, we scored 45+ points but I still just think our offense lags ... Indiana's defense is not good and our running game is still average ... But, hey, a win is a win and I will take the 5-1 ...
 
HomerChampless said:
Don't put words in my mouth especially when they aren't mine. Jake had a fantastic day. He should start. I'm grousing because Ferentz (and everyone else) is saying the starting QB will be the one who has the hot hand in practice. I'm saying it's much easier for Jake to have the hot hand in practice because he gets more playing time and more practice time. I'm also saying it would be, IMO, more forthright in validating the starting QB as the one with the hottest hand in practice if the offensive coaches were to even up practice time between the 2 QBs. Really see who has the better practice instead of, IMO, anointing one having the better practice, because I don't think KF is capable of overseeing a good offense.
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And you know this because you've attended the practices and know for a fact that what you are asserting here is true, right? I agree that he got more playing time in the Indiana game - he was the hot hand and Ferentz said they would go with the hot hand... and no matter how much carping everyone does, no one can deny that JR had the hot hand on Saturday.
 
The simple fact is that JR has earned the starting job and has outperformed CJ on the field during games. Look at the game logs and compare stats. It's not even really debatable. If you want to say it's because KF had held CJ down or because he hasn't gotten the same quality of practice time, that's fine but it's based off pure speculation.

CJ has come into games and has shown us flashes of very good QB play and that's commendable. But he hasn't been nearly as consistent as JR, which I'm sure plays a big role into why he hasn't been able to secure more playing time. If he can consistently perform like he did in the second half of the Pitt or Purdue games, I can pretty much guarantee he will get more PT. He hasn't been able to harness his potential this point though.
 
If we're going to overemphasize ONE game and decide QBs based on one game, let's go with the Pitt game. Each QB got a full half that game and CJ scored every possession.
 
All I can hope for is that we beat Maryland this weekend, both QB's see the field and this board continues to implode. The teams winning. Everyone's at each others throat on here. What else is there?
 
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