This is true, and it's largely because the RPI heavily weights schedule, and most major conference teams play bad schedules to start the year. But it's also true that the noncon is largely complete. Iowa has played 38% of it's games. Right now Iowa's RPI according to the NCAA is at ~200. Iowa doesn't have a win against a team in the top 200. No, I don't think there are 200 teams better than Iowa. Yes, that number will improve. However, Iowa's ability to improve that number significantly is going to be difficult with the anchor of the first 12 games.
So what can you say after Drake game?
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This is true, and it's largely because the RPI heavily weights schedule, and most major conference teams play bad schedules to start the year. But it's also true that the noncon is largely complete. Iowa has played 38% of it's games. Right now Iowa's RPI according to the NCAA is at ~200. Iowa doesn't have a win against a team in the top 200. No, I don't think there are 200 teams better than Iowa. Yes, that number will improve. However, Iowa's ability to improve that number significantly is going to be difficult with the anchor of the first 12 games.
You wouldn't take Timmer over Moss, Dailey or Connor? Haha you're crazy. He put up 29 and 28 on Wake Forest and Colorado and he's shooting over 50% from 3 on the year.
lightning1
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I would take Timmer over Ellingson and Dailey. Maybe even Moss.
NikeHawk21
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I’d take him over Dailey, Ellingson, and Connor, but he in no way helps us with anything guard related that everyone is complaining about. I don’t think I’d take him over a sophomore Moss, that doesn’t mean that Timmer isn’t a better player, he is, what it means is that our perimeter defense and guard athleticism would be even worse than it already is.
You say that like Moss is a good perimeter defender when he's actually pretty bad at it.
NikeHawk21
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Did a pretty nice job with the aforementioned Timmer when we were in man to start on Saturday.
Robowe
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Timmer was 1-8 vs Minnesota and 5-14 vs Iowa. 3-12 from three combined against Big 10 opponents. By the way, here's what you said about Wake Forest and Colorado in a different thread.
Wake Forest isn't very good this year and Colorado is worse than any team in the Big Tenl,
I was just showing his stats versus other P5 opponents. It's not like we're a bunch of world beaters this year but Wake Forest and Colorado are not good. I'm not sold on Minnesota either, they're not even top 40 in KenPom anymore. I think Timmer would start for us and I think Drake is really bad. That aren't mutually exclusive.
Robowe
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So, me pointing out Timmer struggling against two tougher teams in Minnesota and Iowa (who isn't a world beater) than Wake Forest and Colorado doesn't register? You think Timmer (at 6 foot 1) would start along side Bohannon (also at 6 foot 1)? You already said last year that Jordan would never be good at defense at his size. So, you would start another guard at the same size over Moss? Seems crazy to me based on how important you think defense is. By the way, Timmer's defensive rating is worse than both Bohannon's and Moss' this year.
So, me pointing out Timmer struggling against two tougher teams in Minnesota and Iowa (who isn't a world beater) than Wake Forest and Colorado doesn't register? You think Timmer (at 6 foot 1) would start along side Bohannon (also at 6 foot 1)? You already said last year that Jordan would never be good at defense at his size. So, you would start another guard at the same size over Moss? Seems crazy to me based on how important you think defense is. By the way, Timmer's defensive rating is worse than both Bohannon's and Moss' this year.
Moss also had 2 points versus Virginia Tech and Indiana and 4 points versus Iowa State. Timmer would be an upgrade over Moss overall even if Moss is a little better defender because Timmer is MUCH better offensively.
NikeHawk21
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But again you are completely missing the point. Barring a miracle, Iowa is not going to the NCAA tournament this year, we know this.
We are trying to compare teams right now in a head to head basis. The RPI is a flat out awful way to do that and I have given ample reasons as to why. The problem is people keep trying to use this flawed statistic to prove their point.
Robowe
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So, again, start two 6 foot 1 inch guards who don't improve (according to you) defensively? Where does Timmer start? He has 32 assists to 18 turnovers (not even a 2-1 ratio). By the way, Jordan is at 56 assists to 24 turnovers. Timmer starts at the 2? You think that improves the team?
Timmer and Bohannon is a much better back court overall than Moss and Bohannon. Timmer at the 2 over Moss would be a large upgrade. Moss isn't a very good defender and while he might be better than Timmer defensively Timmer is the better overall player. Teams would have a much harder time defending us with two sharp shooters out there instead of just one. Look how much better we were last year with Jok and Bohannon offensively than we are with Moss and Bohannon!
Robowe
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I think it is funny. He says Iowa stinks because they are slow and unathletic. However, he thinks that another 6 foot 1 in guard should start over the 6 foot 5 inch player who is more athletic and better defensively. Seems like a solution, right?
Timmer's been better offensively than Moss so far - no doubt. But, after being lectured about how bad Iowa is on the defensive end, I find it funny that he would rather have another defensively challenged player start for Iowa. Does he see how funny that is?
Timmer is the only player I'd want from Drake and if you don't think he's better than Moss right now well I guess all I can do is laugh at that haha.
So what exactly are you looking for from me? Maybe a cartwheel?
You keep talking like Moss is a good defender when he's not. I'd rather have someone MUCH better offensively and a little worse defensively if given the choice. Moss is a little better defensively and more athletic than Pete was but I bet you would take Pete back in a second because of his offense and what that opened up for others.
Robowe
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Timmer has good shooting numbers so far this year. However, he struggled the past couple of games against Power 5 teams better than Wake Forest and Colorado (your words). Timmer was 16-18 FTs for his 28 points vs Colorado. Timmer's numbers will regress to the mean more than likely this year. Moss has been the better defender than Timmer and he will be guarding much tougher players in the Big 10 than the MVC. Who was better on Saturday? Moss looked more efficient to me.
Moss - 22 minutes, 4-8 FGs, 9 points, 2 assists
Timmer - 34 minutes, 5-14 FGs, 13 points, 3 assists
So, from a team aspect, how does a worse defensive player who is less athletic help Iowa?