NikeHawk21
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This was the narrative Pre-Drake, including posts from you. You may not have said Drake’s guards will shred Iowa, but you certainly implied it.
So what can you say after Drake game?
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This was the narrative Pre-Drake, including posts from you. You may not have said Drake’s guards will shred Iowa, but you certainly implied it.
NikeHawk21
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Just look at the football board. After the Penn State game people were posting how Iowa would likely run the table to a rematch with Penn State in Indy. A few weeks later after losses to MSU and NW and posters were saying Iowa wouldn’t win a game the rest of the year. As with most things the answer probably lies somewhere in between.
InGoodCo
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They have similar RPI's and the Drake game was much more decisive. It wasn't.
1977Hawkeye
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My thoughts on the game: Yeah, Drake stinks so it doesn't mean a lot in terms of sustained success this year, but Iowa easily handled a team they should have, which you want to see. They did a good job of playing to their strengths (inside game) and kept going to the well. Good. Scratch where it itches.
Iowa's inside game looked good (albeit against a small team), but I think the back court obviously remains an issue. Too much penetration allowed and not a ton of offensive firepower out there other than the occasional made 3. Outside shooting doesn't appear to be a strength unlike a couple years ago with Jok and Uthoff filling it up. Gonna have to find a way to keep pounding the ball inside to have success IMO, but I expect a lot of opposing D's to pack it in and force us to beat them from the perimeter, until we prove that we can.
Iowa's inside game looked good (albeit against a small team), but I think the back court obviously remains an issue. Too much penetration allowed and not a ton of offensive firepower out there other than the occasional made 3. Outside shooting doesn't appear to be a strength unlike a couple years ago with Jok and Uthoff filling it up. Gonna have to find a way to keep pounding the ball inside to have success IMO, but I expect a lot of opposing D's to pack it in and force us to beat them from the perimeter, until we prove that we can.
NikeHawk21
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Yes, the NCAA has used RPI in the selection process in the past. If I recall they are using it less and less now as it is a very flawed metric.
If people want to continue to use RPI as a metric to judge teams, they are likely to be completely wrong, just as they were with Saturday’s game. Vegas lines usually come in pretty close to the KenPom predicator, and as we know Vegas usually gets it right.
To your point about the turnovers, I agree. That has been the biggest issue this season, and one that I don’t think anyone really predicted. It wasn’t a glaring issue last year, and I’m almost positive that Jok led our team in turnovers. I think it’s actually a product of playing so many bigs, however most of the posters around here think it’s because our guards stink. It’s probably a little of both.
Well there's your problem using RPI to judge the quality of opponent. UAB is 110 in KenPom, Drake is 195. UAB is our best win by far.
HawkGold
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4 quotes? That takes talent..
NikeHawk21
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I disagree about the outside shooting. I think that can be one of the strengths of this years team. I think during a recent Iowa game they said we were like 2nd or 3rd in the B1G for 3 point shooting.
15-16: 8.1 made 3PG / 37.4%
17-18: 8.5 made 3PG / 38.3%
Now smart money would say those numbers will go down this year during the B1G season, however let’s recall that Baer has only played in 6 games, and the majority of his minutes were probably going to Wagner or another big while he was out.
With Nunge now playing primarily at the 4, and Baer playing heavy minutes at the 3, I think Iowa becomes a solid 3pt shooting team (which is why I said we should move Nunge down to the 4). You have a lot of options starting with Bohannon, Moss, and Baer as your top 3, but you also have Dailey and Ellingson off the bench, and Nunge. Sprinkle in a few from Kriener, Garza, and Mccaf, and you’re looking at a pretty good 3pt shooting team.
The most important thing will be getting guys open looks, which will come from TC dominating inside and getting more stops on the defensive end that will allow us to run.
If you are a KenPom guy, and there are a lot of them on the board, all 10 Big 12 teams are in the top 60 and ISU is dead last in the conference.
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InGoodCo
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That's the trouble with having 5 different metrics to rank a win. But ... I like where you're at and agree with you. Thanks for pointing it out.
People said this last year, but it remained the best predictor of who did and did not make the tournament. It will probably remain that way until the NCAA releases their new metrics next season.
Healzya
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BryceC is correct. They said the were using it less but it was glaringly obvious it is still what they are using to make the majority of decisions.
SayHawkKid
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You said "where are the posters
I said "IF" THE DRAKE GUARDS PLAY LIKE THEY DID AGAINST MINNESOTA, LOOK OUT. Do you not understand the word IF? My post was in reference to 2 talk show regulars that seemed to be giving Drake no chance to win even after the Minnesota game. There is a big difference between WOULD and COULD.
NikeHawk21
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That may be the case, but aren’t we arguing two different things here? People are talking about the NCAA tournament selection (which by the way is done at the end of the year), and we are talking about comparing teams on the floor right now.
Prior to the Drake game someone mentioned that Iowa’s RPI was above 200. If someone actually believes that there are 200 college basketball teams better than Iowa, than they are absolutely moronic and I have no use in discussing with them and that is exactly why the RPI system is extremely flawed. Did you know that Towson currently ranks 33 in the RPI, which ranks ahead of Miami and Gonzaga?
C’mon people! The RPI is garbage, especially at the beginning of the year. Wake up.
lightning1
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it's a team game. So, wishing we had one or 2 of Drake's guards, has nothing to do with winning or losing the game. I'm sure Drake wishes they had 1 or 2 of our bigs. They might have blown our doors off, if they did. Just makes me laugh, the lengths some posters will go, to be the apologist victim.
lightning1
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I see 6 wins left on the schedule. 3 or 4 conference wins. Maybe 5, if we get some bounces.
Michigan - Toss up, slight edge to Michigan
OSU - Loss
@ Maryland - Loss
@ILL - Win
@ Rutgers - Loss
Purdue - Loss
Wisconsin - Toss up, slight edge Iowa
@ Nebraska - Loss
Minnesota - Toss up.
@ Penn St - Loss
MSU - Loss
@ OSU - Loss
@ Michigan - Loss
Indiana - Loss
@ Minnesota - Loss
Northwestern - Win
NikeHawk21
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I agree it is a team game.
My point was really in reference to the thread where people were saying we could use their guards, to which I still maintain is funny. What I responded to that, is for the most part there is a reason these guys are mid major players.
I watched the game Saturday, and I’m not sure I’d take any of their guards. Sure I’d probably take Timmer over say Ellingson, but I wouldn’t take him over Bohannon or Moss. Even so Timmer would not fix any of the issues people currently have with our guard play. Their other guards wouldn’t get court time on Iowa in my estimation.
Here is a look at Timmer vs B1G opponents the last two games:
6/24 FG - 25%
3/12 3s - 25%
Again, for the most part there is a reason these guys are mid major players.
Btw I am no apologist, I call Fran on many things. But I also will call other posters on blatant BS like saying we need Drake’s guards.