So this was the worst season in Iowa history yet...

[jparmley3]

Compare Crean and Lickliter side by side and explain to me why Tom is better than Todd.

D-Wade is enough for me.

We will never, EVER get that kind of player in here with Licky as our coach.

Ever.

I would take Tom Crean over Lickliter every single day of the year. I would have chosen him over Lick in 2007 when Todd was hired.

Stormin - you fight the good fight. That is valiant. But, you are not going to win them all. Trust me.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

I'm watching the women play right now. They are a joy to watch, something I can't say for the men.

Women- Having fun, relaxed, know what they are suppose to do.

Men- Not having fun, Tense/Robotic- Sometimes they have no clue what they are suppose to do. That is on the coach. Quite frankly coaching is lacking right now in a big way..


I can already see the headlines from spank next year.

1. Lickliter has turned the corner and now has the pieces to compete.
or
2. Gatens, Fuller, Cole, Payne, May will push for NCAA Bid, but settle for the NIT.
or
3. You will predict 20 wins and a 5th to 6th place finish in the Big Ten.
Last but not least:
Lickliter will be the BTCOY.. Book it!!!



I also will stick to my point earlier. Crean and Lick are not equal. That is laughable.. Seriously as a person who is suppose to be the BB Guru for this site you need a break if you think that.

 

[storminspank]

I can already see the headlines from spank next year.

1. Lickliter has turned the corner and now has the pieces to compete.
or
2. Gatens, Fuller, Cole, Payne, May will push for NCAA Bid, but settle for the NIT.
or
3. You will predict 20 wins and a 5th to 6th place finish in the Big Ten.
Last but not least:
Lickliter will be the BTCOY.. Book it!!!

I also will stick to my point earlier. Crean and Lick are not equal. That is laughable.. Seriously as a person who is suppose to be the BB Guru for this site you need a break if you think that.

There must not be many programmers on here.

Again, someone wrote Creen [sic] > Lick.
And I countered with Crean <> Lick, which means not equal to. At that point I was just looking for evidence either way that Crean was better than Lickliter. I was looking proof one way or another. You certainly haven't proven anything one way or another. I had no agenda in that post, just stating that the two coaches weren't equal and was looking for info one way or another - you assume a lot, and that can get you into trouble.

I've never claimed to be an insider, guru, expert, or anything like that.

I comment on Iowa basketball. That's the best way I can describe what I do. I'm a commenter, just like everyone else. If you don't want my opinion, guess what? Don't read it. I put myself out there with my opinions, I have ownership for what I produce. People have anonymity on the Net, that's great. I've decided to go ahead and allow myself to not be anonymous. I put out content that is my opinion, an opinion that has been shaped from 25 some years of watching and loving Iowa Basketball.

If you want to pull punches and ridicule what I do, fine. But just know that I have never once acted or insinuated that I was some sort of guru. I call it like I see it. Am I going to get some things wrong? Of course. Those are the things that get pointed out. What about the times I am right? How often are those brought up? Hardly ever, but that's the nature of the beast.

But, by all means, do what you got to do to make fun of another Hawkeye fan who uses hours of his spare time to try to provide content to other fans... it's seems like that's something you DO enjoy doing.

 

[storminspank]

D-Wade is enough for me.

We will never, EVER get that kind of player in here with Licky as our coach.

Ever.

I would take Tom Crean over Lickliter every single day of the year. I would have chosen him over Lick in 2007 when Todd was hired.

Stormin - you fight the good fight. That is valiant. But, you are not going to win them all. Trust me.

I would have chosen Crean over Lickliter, as well. In fact, on the Scout board he was on my short list, but I didn't think we had a chance at him considering the contract he had w/ Marquette.

This year, watching him on the sidelines, though, has drove me nuts. I don't know if I could handle watching that game in/out.

I agree on D-Wade, but does one player make a coach? Maybe. He does deserve some praise for find a guy like that that hardly any offers and turned him into a bonafide stud.

EDIT - Speaking of Crean, I found this post I made back in 07:
Gary Barta Knows What He is Doing

Esh... the title of that blog is sort of... ummm... yeah....
No Lickliter on the list. But I did say no on Stallings and yes on Tim Floyd. Now THAT makes sense.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

That's fine I meant no disrespect and appreciate the work you do.

Let's also be fair here. Your putting yourself out there for ridicule, so when it happens I would expect for you to shrug it off. Also don't insinuate that making fun of people is what I like doing. That is way off base as well.

 

[Reeon]

nm, not a good question. shouldn't never of posted it.

 

[DDThompson]

And Iowa isn't? The 2010 class Iowa has coming in is solid. Very solid.

Yes, but I've heard it takes a couple of years IN the TL system to really GET the TL system so that the TL system CAN be effective.

 

[McHawkin]

Yes, but I've heard it takes a couple of years IN the TL system to really GET the TL system so that the TL system CAN be effective.

Which is why player retention is crucial. The transfers have to stop for this program to have stability or it is never going to take off.

 

[HeneryHawk]

This is the most imcompetent coaching job I have ever witnessed, and it appears that there isnt any promise of improvement. Compare all you want to IU and PSU, it still doesnt change how bad IOWA is and will stay as long as Lickliter is coach. Crean has(despite your sad marginalization of Marquette...who HAS won a NC is recent memory, 1977, even went to another FF, 1974, and has a history of excellent players...like Doc Rivers{who IOWA/Lute wanted desperately} and Dwayne Wade, and plays in a major conference) had success on his own(not living off another's foundational work, like Lick has with Matta's previous four years work ), buil a program on his own, has excellent assistant coaching experience to build upon(IZZO), and is recruiting well at IU, PLUS he is selling his program to the fans, and the support testifies to that. There isnt a comparison really.

 

[storminspank]

Yes, but I've heard it takes a couple of years IN the TL system to really GET the TL system so that the TL system CAN be effective.

You make a VERY valid point, but the real issue is having upperclassmen to help the younger guys out. Gatens, Fuller, and Brommer will be upperclassmen (can you believe it?) - and they can help out the new talent. This system is predicated on help from the guys that have been in the system. Unfortunately, the upperclassmen in the program the past few years have basically been freshman when it comes to the system.

 

[storminspank]

That's fine I meant no disrespect and appreciate the work you do.

Let's also be fair here. Your putting yourself out there for ridicule, so when it happens I would expect for you to shrug it off. Also don't insinuate that making fun of people is what I like doing. That is way off base as well.

I probably should have shrug it off, and I apologize if I was out of line.

The negativity surrounding the programs gets to be a big burden.

 

[DDThompson]

You make a VERY valid point, but the real issue is having upperclassmen to help the younger guys out. Gatens, Fuller, and Brommer will be upperclassmen (can you believe it?) - and they can help out the new talent. This system is predicated on help from the guys that have been in the system. Unfortunately, the upperclassmen in the program the past few years have basically been freshman when it comes to the system.

Yep. But a couple of additional questions inherently pop up.

1. Does this upperclass group look like they have a grip on the offensive system this year?

2. If it takes a couple of years for the coaches to teach their system, how much time will the upperclassmen coaching the system (excluding question 1) shave off the two year learning curve?

 

[ShadasRevenge]

Yep. But a couple of additional questions inherently pop up.

1. Does this upperclass group look like they have a grip on the offensive system this year?

2. If it takes a couple of years for the coaches to teach their system, how much time will the upperclassmen coaching the system (excluding question 1) shave off the two year learning curve?

What upper class group? The only upperclassman on the team that got any meaningful playing time was Cole, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he'll be playing the role of Bawinkel next year as the only senior on the team.

Ideally, Payne and May have learned enough through their trial by fire that they'll be able to help out the new guys.

 

[DDThompson]

Gatens, Fuller, Brommer will be juniors next year so they will be upperclassmen.

I think the question I ask is fair, "If it takes two years for the coaches to teach their system, how much time will upperclassmen be able to shave off that two years? Especially when it looks like this team doesn't have a grip on the system."

 

[jparmley3]

You make a VERY valid point, but the real issue is having upperclassmen to help the younger guys out. Gatens, Fuller, and Brommer will be upperclassmen (can you believe it?) - and they can help out the new talent. This system is predicated on help from the guys that have been in the system. Unfortunately, the upperclassmen in the program the past few years have basically been freshman when it comes to the system.

While I understand your premise with this - you are stretching.

Talent is far more important than experience at the college level.

UK will likely be a Final 4 team and they are led by two freshman
KU's leading scorer is a freshman.

I can guarantee you that the upperclassmen on both of those teams had VERY little to do with: a) the afore mentioned freshmen picking up the offense, and, b) how well they are playing in their respective "systems".