So Rob Howe wrote an article....

[HawkPowerlifter]

As our resident lawyer, this is 100% the case. I settle bullshit cases on behalf of my clients on a near daily basis. The truth is, I cost a lot of money and a lot of times it is a better business decision to pay the other side a little bit of money to make him go away, than pay me a lot of money to prove you are right.

To be clear, I take no position on the validity of the lawsuit against KF and the school. I did not take a deep dive into that at the time, but the fact that money was paid to settle a lawsuit has zero to do with whether KF or the school actually did anything materially wrong.

I hate this that this happened and it happens often with large corporations and organizations. The organization I work for is constantly settling even before issues become lawsuits and quickly have them sign an NDA.

It's a method, I guess. But in some ways, I see it as an admission of guilt or culpability.

 

[kicker22]

I hate this that this happened and it happens often with large corporations and organizations. The organization I work for is constantly settling even before issues become lawsuits and quickly have them sign an NDA.

It's a method, I guess. But in some ways, I see it as an admission of guilt or culpability.

I see it as a program/university/entity acknowledging that something happened that crossed a line and quietly putting it to bed without it having to go any further or potentially blowing up into something bigger. From a University/athletic department standpoint it may be something that wouldn't hold up in a court of law, but could become a PR nightmare that could really hurt them in a court of opinion. So while they may not be "guilty" of anything from a legal standpoint, maybe its a monetary/reputation issue where the cost of acknowledging and admitting they were wrong and settling out of court is cheaper then things getting out then having to deal with that and repairing the image of the program. So while I agree that it's an admission being guilty of something, i don't think it's necessarily an admission of being guilty from a legal perspective.

 

[hawkinn3]

He went Jon Miller on that one.

The last pod I caught with Johnny boy he spent most the time swearing and talking about gambling. I was surprised he didn’t start smoking crack by the end of it.

 

[HuckFinn]

I saw the original post and article. I bit. Read it. Immediately, looked at it as a hit piece. Timing sucked and it definitely seemed to be sour grapes on Howe's end. I am a KF guy. A KF apologist.

However, much like Fry said, good people make made choices or do bad things. I do not necessarily agree with how it all shook out. The optics did not look good. Agreed the Wallace/Kallenberger thing was horrible.

I am wondering that potentially Doyle was the lowest hanging fruit. Gruff fella. Strength and Conditioning coach that pushes athletes and was old school. It was probably easiest to find the most dirt on him.

With we are all honest, KF had blind spots. He allowed coaches to do their bidding. Maybe his trust and not having his fingers on the pulse also were errors on his part. We can start a whole another thread regarding about a blind spot about a father for his child. It became very uncomfortable. The question is if our offense was firing on all cylinders and we were winning, would there have been an issue?

I watched the interview with Doyle. I hated it for him. Hated it for everyone. I'm curious if attorneys got involved and recommended ceasing any sort of communication amongst one another due to potential further litigation or incrimination. I'm guessing KF was warned to instructed to remain mum and do what he was told.

As for Doyle and KF and their relationship, it is unfortunate. And likely after the dust settled, Doyle gets fired. And it probably was hard to start any sort of conversation up after all that happened.

The social climate at the time also I think contributed to the situation. Would it have happened otherwise? Tough to say.

Like many, I put it in our rearview and moved forward. Changes were made. It became a learning moment for KF, the staff and the program. I don't believe KF is a racist. I think you sometimes have to look at the totality or body of work of an individual, and from that I see much more positive KF has done for the program in contrasts to a mistake. But as we all know, it's easy to focus and amplify the negative.

I've probably already said too much, and probably should have let it go, but it really sat with me all weekend that I felt like this was just a hit piece by Howe. He has every right to write and share his opinion on things.

IMHO, you did not say too much.Good addition to the thread.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

The last pod I caught with Johnny boy he spent most the time swearing and talking about gambling. I was surprised he didn’t start smoking crack by the end of it.

It's been a long time since I've seen anything Jon Miller related be it twitter/X or podcasting. I think he did some Pods with Marc Morehouse the last time I'd seen him. If he's done stuff since then I haven't seen it and that's been a couple yrs ago or so at least.

Last I knew he went to Oklahoma to be where the weather was warmer for his wifes condition. Then he moved to KC not sure if she magically recovered or if the politics of being in that bright red of a state turned him off so much he had to go to where he and fellow libs could surround each other. He wasn't a fan of the local politics in Tulsa so much it didn't seem like and he wanted his daughters out of there I think I'd heard him say.

I don't think we'll ever get a team up of him and Steve Deace again. Which all things being sports pop culture and music those two were pretty fun to listen to on the radio back in the day. But those two are so polar opposite politically I couldn't imagine those two getting along now.

 

[HawkPowerlifter]

IMHO, you did not say too much.Good addition to the thread.

Appreciate it. I think if I posted when the post originally came out, I would have posted from more of an emotional standpoint and taken some shots at Howe. I'm not a fan even before this recent article, but again, he has every right to write his piece.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

To me, Rob Howe seems to come off as having very thin skin. He seems to hold a grudge easily, as what he points out in his article which happen years ago, and if you don't agree on the same side of him politically, it's a long day.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Fry - I'm not going to expand on my comments above, so don't feel you have to move this thread.

 

[thedukeofearl]

Just seems to me to be an unnecessary piece

Just let The Captain settle into retirement, after this season or the next, in Peace

I did appreciate Rob's material over the years

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

True. There are a lot of people of different races who've said KF had a big positive impact on their lives. I've heard it from lots of black players too. Good doesn't cancel out bad and vice versa, but you have to look at both I think.

I think that's where it gets tricky for some people. They want it to be absolute - like Kirk is good or Kirk is bad. But there was more nuance to the issue. There was systemic racism in the program that created a culture that disproportionately impacted black players. A lot of the ones we all cheered for. Guys like Amani Hooker or Tevaun Smith or James Daniels - they can call that problem out and still think that Kirk is a coach who overall has been a positive in their lives.

You can believe the findings of that in-depth investigation and report without having to believe Kirk individually is a racist. It's ok to sit with a little bit of that tension or conflict.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Just seems to me to be an unnecessary piece

Just let The Captain settle into retirement, after this season or the next, in Peace

I did appreciate Rob's material over the years

That's it to me. He knew what he was doing. He wasn't breaking anything new it was all stuff that'd been widely reported on at the time. He was just giving his two cents and ramming it down others throats. Kinda like we all do on here. He's got every right to do it I'm not gonna go squashing his 1st amendment rights or anything. I just don't have to like it. And I bet the sun will come up tomorrow.

 

[thedukeofearl]

Just seems to me to be an unnecessary piece

Just let The Captain settle into retirement, after this season or the next, in Peace

I did appreciate Rob's material over the years

I used two Pieces/Peaces

Damn, just noticed that