Should Doyle be disciplined?

CRBest2002 said:
You have no idea about anything you are spewing and Chris Doyle is one of the most well respected LEADERS in our field. Yes I am in the same field and am sitting with a handout by Chris entitled, "Performance Nutrition Facts and Fallacies, An Alternative Approach" that he and Dr. Paul W Baumert,Jr., M.D., FAAFP passed out at a seminar a couple of years ago. These two gentleman represent everything that is right about the U of I and also are very Food First proactive with the members of the football program. Athletes nutritional requirements vary when it comes to fluids, electrolytes, carbohydrates, protein, vitamins and minerals but there is always an emphasis in the Iowa program of food first.

There are very easy explanations at this time of year to an incedent like this happening. Until those facts come out you need to back down about any comment about Chris Doyle and what you do not know about him as a person or the way he runs his program.
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Welcome aboard Chris Doy...I mean CRBest.
 
Everyone wants to complicate this issue....

If you are a professional trainer, you don't overtrain your athletes to the point of hospitalization, if you do train them that hard you make damn certain they are hydrated and you KNOW what supplements and medications they are taking.

Now if it is illegal drugs we are talking about (which I highly doubt) then that is a different story....

My argument is predicated on the premise that Doyle is in charge of training and supplementation of his athletes and the reason for their hospitalization was due to overtraining and/or supplementation... Nothing more. If there is another reason (which I would have a hard time believing) then I agree with you all.

Oh and being able to do 100 timed squats at your body weight has nothing to do with 4th quarter endurance......
 
okeefe4prez said:
I disagree. This board wants immediate action on everything. DJK should have been sent to the federal pen for 25 to life a few short weeks ago. Facts are irrelevant, mob reaction FTW.
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This is right. To many people on this board act as though it is their right to know everything that happens, even in medical cases. Bottom line, no one has the right to know anything other than the people involved, which doesn't mean internet message board posters, media, etc. Again, it's a medical issue, which to me says that it is a private matter. The players and the families involved are the only ones that deserve the right to know anything related.
 
DaBears said:
100 squats does absolutley no good. Now if they were weightless squats, then maybe. But then they wouldnt be in the hospital either. We just better hope no one tore anything and has some long term damage. STUPID!
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Please provide your qualifications in the area of Training... We all know CD is very well respected for his workouts and what he does for the team but i would like to send th UofI a letter letting them know that DABEARS dosn't think that CD is very good at his job:rolleyes:
 
HaydensHawk said:
Oh and being able to do 100 timed squats at your body weight has nothing to do with 4th quarter endurance......
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And that guilty rascal Chris Doyle is on recored of saying that 100 timed squats at your body weight has everything to do with 4th quarter endurance therefore we have no need for any more facts before we jump to conclusions and contribute to the lynch mob mentality.
 
CRBest2002 said:
You have no idea about anything you are spewing and Chris Doyle is one of the most well respected LEADERS in our field. Yes I am in the same field and am sitting with a handout by Chris entitled, "Performance Nutrition Facts and Fallacies, An Alternative Approach" that he and Dr. Paul W Baumert,Jr., M.D., FAAFP passed out at a seminar a couple of years ago. These two gentleman represent everything that is right about the U of I and also are very Food First proactive with the members of the football program. Athletes nutritional requirements vary when it comes to fluids, electrolytes, carbohydrates, protein, vitamins and minerals but there is always an emphasis in the Iowa program of food first.

There are very easy explanations at this time of year to an incedent like this happening. Until those facts come out you need to back down about any comment about Chris Doyle and what you do not know about him as a person or the way he runs his program.
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I assume you are referring to how this condition could happen after not working out for some time. If this is so well known and easy to explain, then why wasn't it prevented? This is not unprecedented, but certainly NOT common. I truly don't understand how this is going to be blamelessly explained. Doyle of ALL people with his education and experience should know how to prevent this from ever happening. If it were one athlete, I would give him a pass, but 12? Come on. Doyle is overrated as a S&C coach, other teams are just as big, strong and well conditioned as Iowa.
 
grasshawk said:
Please provide your qualifications in the area of Training... We all know CD is very well respected for his workouts and what he does for the team but i would like to send th UofI a letter letting them know that DABEARS dosn't think that CD is very good at his job:rolleyes:
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Kinisiology Major. I now operate and run a sports training facility for high school and college athletes in chicago. Any other questions?

It is the same reason when doing power cleans why you never did more than 8-10 in a set, it only hurts you. That is, unless your trainer is an idiot or trying to make a point and hurt you.
 
HaydensHawk said:
I assume you are referring to how this condition could happen after not working out for some time. If this is so well known and easy to explain, then why wasn't it prevented? This is not unprecedented, but certainly NOT common. I truly don't understand how this is going to be blamelessly explained. Doyle of ALL people with his education and experience should know how to prevent this from ever happening. If it were one athlete, I would give him a pass, but 12? Come on. Doyle is overrated as a S&C coach, other teams are just as big, strong and well conditioned as Iowa.[/Q

I was going to reply and answer your questions until I read the very last line of your post, " Doyle is overrated as a S&C coach, other teams are just as big, strong and well conditioned as Iowa." That sentence alone shows a level of ignorance in a field you know nothing about. Please Google the name Mike Boyle and talk to one of the most well respected members of the Strength and Conditioning field and a gentleman that lectures many times a year at conferences. Tell him Chris is overrated and please enlighten all the rest of us on his response. Until then, you have shown an utter lack of respect for Coach Doyle and things you know nothing about.
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DaBears, If you are going to be working in the field I love and have a lifelong passion for,"human kinetics or human movement", please spell it correctly. It is a science and a field to be proud of. If you are in Chicago please spend some time at "Faster Than Gravity" in Naperville. Great people.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
It's not his fault we don't have tough enough players. He saw the same thing we all did last fall. Out of shape, tired players fading at the end of the games. He took it upon himself to change that, now that we have identified the weak links on the team, we know where we need to get better.
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Are you serious?
 
First off, all real Hawkeye fans would know that Doyle is a very well respected coach. Second, major college football players know that the 100 squat workout is not anything new, been around for a long time at many programs. Third, if this has happened at any time in the past then yes Doyle should be disciplined, but at this point all we know is that this is the first time, we will learn from this and move on.
 
Wow there have been some really stupid comments made on the board today and there a few right in this thread...do people not think before they post crap?
 
I'm not saying Doyle is a slouch.... I think he gets too much credit though.... He is not exactly reinventing the wheel here. Iowa's S&C program is NOT leaps and bounds better than most top D1 programs. From my observations, Iowa athletes are not bigger, faster, stronger or better conditioned than their opposition. If this last year was any indication, I would say we lacked in almost all of those departments.

The mere fact that his workouts lead to hospitalization of players, is a concern. There is negligence (most likely) at some level... Something was missed. This SHOULD be and should have been avoided.

What if one or more of those players would have died or had kidney failure, what would your take be then?
 
First of all Doyle is very good at what he does. Secondly this is a situation that definitely needs to be allowed to have time to investigate what the facts really are before jumping to conclusions. Thirdly don't you think it is possible that some of the athletes are taking supplements on their own that some of the staff don't know about to try and get a leg up on their competition. If you assume all college athletes always tell their coaches(or parents, professors, girlfriends, etc.) everything, you need to get your head out of the clouds. It's competitive sports. If they can find a way to become more successful they might. I am not saying that happened in this case, but it is possible. Until all of the facts are gathered, there should be less mudslinging and more support. Hope the guys all recover without any issues, and if later there needs to be some discipline dealt out, so be it. At least give them the courtesy of time and fact gathering.
 
Rick1988 said:
First of all Doyle is very good at what he does. Secondly this is a situation that definitely needs to be allowed to have time to investigate what the facts really are before jumping to conclusions. Thirdly don't you think it is possible that some of the athletes are taking supplements on their own that some of the staff don't know about to try and get a leg up on their competition. If you assume all college athletes always tell their coaches(or parents, professors, girlfriends, etc.) everything, you need to get your head out of the clouds. It's competitive sports. If they can find a way to become more successful they might. I am not saying that happened in this case, but it is possible. Until all of the facts are gathered, there should be less mudslinging and more support. Hope the guys all recover without any issues, and if later there needs to be some discipline dealt out, so be it. At least give them the courtesy of time and fact gathering.
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The perception is that we don't always get the facts and that is a problem.

The Everson/Satterfield situation is just one example.
 
skinnykilmer17 said:
The perception is that we don't always get the facts and that is a problem.

The Everson/Satterfield situation is just one example.
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Why is that a problem? Are you a family member of one of the players? Are you a higher up in the athletic department or the university? Or are you just a fan?

If you are just a fan you don’t have a right to this information.

Heck, at this point even the coaches do not have a right to know what is wrong medically with those players. It is up to the player or his family to allow the coaching staff to know this information.

We as fans are not entitled to know the inner workings of the football program, let alone the medical status.of its players.

As for the S/E "situation" we only have the right to know what is on public record. The coaches publically commenting on a legal case which they might be called to testify in is at the very least legally irresponsible and possibly illegal.
 
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