Seth Davis Critiques UI Basketball Program

We won two big ten tourney's, but let's not pretend those are equivalent to real big ten titles, Steve. One is a weekend of lucky bounces another is 2 and 1/2 months of hard work.

Tom Davis & Alford only seriously challenged for the Big Ten title once. Davis in his first year & Alford with the Brunner, Haluska & Horner team.

At least Alford brought home some hardware. I realize that two BTT trophies arn't like the Big Ten title. However, at least he won something.
Davis never won anything.
 
The problem is...if Alford would have won a regular season title but then got beat in the first round of the BT Tournament, people would have still diminished the accomplishment. They would have argued that the regular season is just for seeding and it's the tournament that gets you the automatic invite.

For the life of me, I can't understand why some fans didn't or haven't embraced those two titles. As a Hawk fan, they rank in the Top 10 of my all time favorite moments of Hawkeye basketball.

No way. The regular season title is WAY more impressive than a B10 Tournament title.
 
The problem is...if Alford would have won a regular season title but then got beat in the first round of the BT Tournament, people would have still diminished the accomplishment. They would have argued that the regular season is just for seeding and it's the tournament that gets you the automatic invite.

For the life of me, I can't understand why some fans didn't or haven't embraced those two titles. As a Hawk fan, they rank in the Top 10 of my all time favorite moments of Hawkeye basketball.

I embrace them. I watch Alex's biig three on youtube all the time. Doesn't mean I think they are on the same level as an regular season title.

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The proof that Davis' piece was lazy and shallow came when he didn't even bother to spell our coach's name correctly.

Sloppy work is sloppy work, particularly when Sports Illustrated should strive for better.
 
Tom Davis & Alford only seriously challenged for the Big Ten title once. Davis in his first year & Alford with the Brunner, Haluska & Horner team.

At least Alford brought home some hardware. I realize that two BTT trophies arn't like the Big Ten title. However, at least he won something.
Davis never won anything.

Should Tom Davis have organized a tournament in his backyard or something?

I think he was only at Iowa for 2 BTTs or something like that.
 
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I don't think that is true Burky since a regular season Big Ten champion is going to be seeded higher than a hot middle of the conferece finisher every time.

I'm not saying I agree with it sioux, just that we know that argument would have come up if things had been reversed. All I'm saying is that I think it's okay to have hated Alford and his results while he was here but still be proud of those BTT titles.
 
I fired old Seth an email and asked him to reach out to Alford and ask when his connections to the Indiana AAU program were going to pay off and about overlooking the obvious difference in the Mtn. Worst conference and the academic standards at UNM.

Alford couldn't get those guys in at Iowa and he can at UNM and gets to beat up on TCU, Air Force and Wyoming vs. playing in the big ten.

Nice hit piece on Iowa by one of the bigger tools in the industry.
 
I love this quote from Seth:

All you have to do is look at Alford's record before and after his Iowa tenure, not to mention Iowa's record before and after Alford coached there.


Ok, sooooo did Seth forget to look at Iowa's record before Alford got here?

Convenient he mentions Alford's miracle run to 16 at SMSU in 1999, but fails to mentions Iowa's own run to Sweet 16 the EXACT SAME YEAR as STEVIE. Oh, that same year Iowa finished 3rd in B10, SMSU T-2nd in MV.

Alford's record at SMSU 1995-99: 16-12 (4th), 24-9 (2nd), 16-16(3rd), 22-11(2nd). 79-21 over that span
Davis record at Iowa 1995-99: 23-9 (4th), 22-10 (2nd), 20-11 (5th), 20-10 (3rd). 86-21 over same span.
 
I embrace them. I watch Alex's biig three on youtube all the time. Doesn't mean I think they are on the same level as an regular season title.

Hey, I agree with ya. I think a regular season title means more as well.

As was said though, it's still hardware. You take away those two tournament titles and when is the last time Iowa basketball received any hardware? 1979? Something like that.

My point being... it's not like Iowa is use to winning titles in basketball since the 1980's hit.
 
Alford was a good coach at Iowa. You slack jawed proles fail to understand the sea change that has happened in college basketball, the conference and the State of Iowa.

1) Mid major programs have gotten a lot of love and taken up more spots in the tourney because CBS loves pitching the Cinderella stories - Davis didn't deal with that

2) Two sleeping giants awoke bince Davis left, Michigan State and Ohio State, plus Wisconsin has become very respectable

3) Iowa's facilities that were once suitable, fell relative to our opponents, who spent lavishly putting us behind in the arms race

4) Iowa's population continued to age and dudes like me continued to leave the state within a week after getting our diplomas - Carver is full of old folks, these folks made the place loud in the '80's, but now they just want to knit or read and there aren't enough youngsters to take care of them, the influx from Mexico is the only thing holding the population steady in Iowa

5) Gas prices are way up, making it more expensive for Iowans to get to games - the local population ain't that big so you need folks to drive over

Alford's team is currently ranked 14th per Spank's poll that he posted. The dude can run a program, external forces and the failure to keep up with the Joneses brought Iowa basketball down a slight peg while Alford was here and those problems have been exasperated by Lick and Fran.
 
I've read KOK4P's posts on Alford for a long time and I still don't know if he's serious or not.
 
Tom Davis & Alford only seriously challenged for the Big Ten title once. Davis in his first year & Alford with the Brunner, Haluska & Horner team.

At least Alford brought home some hardware. I realize that two BTT trophies arn't like the Big Ten title. However, at least he won something.
Davis never won anything.

I believe the BTT was relitively new when Alford took over. Mr. Davis only participated in 1 or 2 didn't he?


Also, I agree that 2 Regular Season Titles > 2 Conference Tourney Titles. A marothon is harder to win then a sprint. If the better runner trips during a marothon they can still make up ground, if a sprinter trips, the race is over before they get back on their feet.

Someone should go through and compare Dr. Toms NCAA Resume at Iowa with other coaches and see where he ranks.
 
the lack of support by the boosters and administrative people, would be the biggest failure in the BB program. they didn't blink a eye when it came to spending Million of $ on the FB program but wouldn't spend a dime on the BB program, fans turning their backs on the players in BB was a pathetic and classless move, who gives a **** about a coach hair, finally BB has a new practice facility, fans are still a bunch of pansies in their support
 
OK4P isn't sure if he is serious or not, so I'm not surprised that some of the rest of us are also confused.
 
As a typical journalist, Seth only gives half-truths to support his jock sniffing of Alford.

First, let's look at the facts:

1. In the 13 years prior to Alford's arrival, Iowa won 13 NCAA tournament games, went to 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. Under 8 years of Alford, we won 1 NCAA tournament game.

2. In the 13 years prior to Alford's arrival, our Big Ten finishes were 1 2nd, 4 3rds, 2 4ths, and 3 5ths....in other words, we finished in the upper division of the conference 10 out of 13 years. Under 8 years of Alford, our Big Ten finishes were 1 2nd, 2 4ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths and 2 8ths. In other words, we finished in the upper division of the conference only 3 out of 8 years. And the 13 years prior to Alford's arrival were easily the toughest the conference has ever been and during Alford's tenure, it was one of the easiest the conference has ever been.

3. In the 13 years prior to Alford's arrival, we posted a conference record of .543. Under 8 years of Alford, we posted a conference record of .477. In addition, we only had 2 seasons were we finished below .500 in the conference in the 13 years prior to Alford's arrival. Under 8 years of Alford, we finished below .500 in the conference 5 times.

4. In the 13 years before Alford arrived, our overall winning % was .658. In the 8 years under Alford, our overall winning % was .589.

This is just Ws and Ls. This doesn't even address the dwindling attendance, the awfulness of his coaching staff, or the PP scandal.

I will grant him that the previous AD did next to nothing to support the program under his watch and instead directed virtually all resources, marketing efforts, and facilities to the football program. I understand that football pays the bills, but apparently Bowlsbey forgot that the basketball program has been better and for longer periods of time than the football program. In a successful athletic department, both sports should be successful and fully supported.

But for Steve to claim he was successful is absolute spin and is NOT supported by the facts.
 
Looks like old Seth needs to be careful. If he gets his head any farther up Alford's butt he won't be able to breath.
 
the lack of support by the boosters and administrative people, would be the biggest failure in the BB program. they didn't blink a eye when it came to spending Million of $ on the FB program but wouldn't spend a dime on the BB program, fans turning their backs on the players in BB was a pathetic and classless move, who gives a **** about a coach hair, finally BB has a new practice facility, fans are still a bunch of pansies in their support

They didnt turn their backs on the program because of Alford's hair. Some got turned off by his attitude and sense of entitlement. Many more steered away from the program because of his handling of the first Pierce incident.

How much money have you donated to the athletic department in the last few years?

Or more specifically, how much money did you donate to the 40 million dollar Carver renovation?
 

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