HawkeyeShane
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Didn't bother reading Davis' propaganda piece for his friend, Stevie Boy...I just wanted to post in this sucker!
Seth Davis Critiques UI Basketball Program
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GoHawks24
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How are you related to good ol' Stev-o? 1st cousin, aunt, uncle?
tm3308
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Alford is a solid coach, but nothing special. And his record prior/after Iowa must be taken with a grain of salt, considering that his other stops were not Power Six schools. He's a very good mid-major coach.
And Davis had to contend with the same practice facility issues as Alford did. Everybody shared Carver. There's more to "facilities" than just the place where you play your games.
storminspank
Justin VanLaere
So Adam Haluska and Tyler Smith were just better than average B10 players? Come on now... are you serious? Both guys made All-Big Ten teams, Adam was first team selection and was drafted. You are seriously undervaluing those players.
That team wasn't as untalented as you are putting them out to be.
bcl20
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What was the talent of that team compared to other Alford coached teams?
I said they were better than average B10 players, what are you arguing? That they weren't better than average?
Justin Johnson, Cyrus Tate, Tony Freeman were all average players. I never said the team wasn't that talented but to lose four of your top six guys off of a 25 win team and come back and finish fourth in the B10 is impressive.
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Justin VanLaere
They finished 9-7 in a less than spectacular Big Ten.
Like I said they finished fourth in the Big Ten after losing four of the top six guys off of a 25 win team. You haven't refuted anything I said, you can go ahead and just admit you don't like Alford and that's all your argument is based on.
atomicblue224
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in summary ,iahawk209 FAILS!
bamahawkeye
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Quick question: And I say this trying to have a legitimate debate, but what about Alford's recruiting ability and resume should he NOT be held accountable for? I have no problem with anyone who says his first year roster left a little to be desired, but no one asked him to pound his chest and say my goal is to take this program to the next level. If you want to shine the light on yourself, and then you fail in doing what you set out to do, I believe you should be held accountable and take some criticism. I don't think anyone would argue that the resources he had as his disposal were less than perfect, but at some point, your program is built on what YOU do with it. Use any excuse you want, but the bottom line is you either get it done or you don't.
I could care less about Steve Alford, but when a guy paints a picture of the Iowa program the way Seth Davis did, and tries to lift up Steve Alford as some hero that did all he could with a drowning and below average program, and even calls him one of the finest college basketball coaches in America, that is going to light another Alford fire that I can't wait for Caff to finally put out once and for all.
hawkeyebob62
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End thread.
No way! This thread could reach "CYPAW" or "Stross" proportions if we milk it properly!
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Justin VanLaere
I was one of the last "Alford apologists" around the boards, so you would be incorrect in your assumption.
Let me know what points you want me to refute.
hawkeyebob62
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Actually, stormin was one of Alford's biggest supporters. Did he pucker up and smooch buttocks the way Vintage does whenever Thunder posts? Not, not even close.
But stormin definitely was not part of the "Alford must go" crowd like sioux and I (at times). And sioux and I could never match the virulence of Dweeb, who also wanted Bowlsby gone post-haste.
Then what are you disagreeing with? You don't think it was a good coaching job his last year here? You think Iowa should just reload and win 25 games the next year, when they have never been that type of program?
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Justin VanLaere
I can vouch for the fact that Spank hung on Alfs jock longer than most.
Sorry spank.
It wasn't until the last season when I has seen enough. I wasn't onboard like some of you guys.
Then again, I also thought Lickliter could be given one more season.
This is why I am not an A.D.
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Justin VanLaere
Iowa is a Top 25 program. ESPN/Sagarin actually ranks them #10 all-time (I think that's high).
I'm not saying that last season Iowa should have won 25 games, but winning just 9 games in a down conference isn't something to celebrate. Not with the talent he had on the team. Alford/Neal gave up on that team halfway through the season and that's when I lost patience with him.
That team went 8-6 on non-conference with a schedule that had just 2 Top 50 teams.
It's very impressive that the Hawks closed out the Big ten at 6-3 then after Alford and Neal had already given up on the team. Finishing fourth in the B10, after losing four of the top six players on a 25 win team is a solid season. You're also really overrating Justin Johnson and Cyrus Tate, those guys were average B10 players. That team only had two above average players on the squad.
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Justin VanLaere
Again, my opinion, but finishing 4th is overstating. They were 9-7. That's the stat to look at. They lost 7 games in conference that year, a down year for the Big Ten. If they hadn't squeaked by MSU earlier in the year, they would have been .500 in conf. And 16-15 overall. Purdue and Illinois were also 9-7 in conf that year to tie Iowa for 4th (or 6th depending on how you look at) - yes I know Iowa got the 4 seed in the tourney that year, wherein they were waxed by the aforementioned Purdue team. They were one Big Ten loss away from being ahead of just Penn State, Minnesota, and NW that year.