Scott Frost on Iowa Rivalry

[DDThompson]

Again, I don't know the rule. From what I've read it was fine. If you have any info contrary, I'd like to be educated.

Reading about it on Husk-r-us isn’t “fine”

 

[DDThompson]

You don't know the rule?! You claim to be a hardcore football fan from a top program.

This is pretty fundamental stuff. Eligible receivers.

Old Husker Wishbone formation is tough to break

 

[pootspot]

After watching the video it looked like the receiver was off the line of scrimmage (roughly 2 yards) and about 2/3 yard behind the TE, hence the tight end was not covered up. There were still 7 on the line of scrimmage with the double TE so the no-call wasn't that egregious...I'm sure there are bigger calls/no-calls out there to bitch about

I’m still not over the BW TD phantom hold call jNW

 

[Ree4]

foot placement sure does matter. that's how they tell if someone is on the LOS or not. Its the front foot. by your way of thinking, a LT in a 2-point stance could have his outside leg a yard behind his front foot and he'd be an eligible receiver. and on defense, there is no rules about how many players you can or cannot have on the los. the only rule is you can't be offsides. on offense, there are rules and players feet are used to determine if they are on the LOS or not.

So you didn't read the article or the rule I posted... Got it

2. A Team A player is legally on his scrimmage line when he faces his

opponent’s goal line with the line of his shoulders approximately

parallel thereto and either (a) he is the snapper (Rule 2-27-8) or (b)

his head breaks the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of

the snapper.

Nowhere does it mention the feet

 

[Ree4]

This is also false. They called in the Illinois game in 2007 against Illinois.

So you found one example 11 years ago when it WAS called and that somehow makes it "not rare"

 

[Ree4]

I disagree. There are some coaches that exude class on the sideline. They are guys like Nick, Kirk, Tressel before he hung it up. Those sorts of guys will get moderately worked up over a missed hold or something like that, but when you see guys like that blow their top it is only on egregious calls that have the potential to be outcome determinative. I was at that game and it was clear that scoring was going to be at a premium because it was so cold. Iowa got lucky on two long run plays, otherwise Nebraska probably wins that game. That was an absolutely critical play in the game and Ferentz was justified losing his top.

I remember when Clemson beat us a few years ago, Nick lost it because Clemson ran a pick that went for a TD (maybe they ran 2, I forget). What may look to you as inconsequential or not egregious can be a huge play and when you see a normally mellow, reserved guy lose it, you know it's a bad call. These guys are the deans of CFB coaches, not someone like Ron Zook or some other guy who threw 20 tantrums per game.

Listen, I understand that it COULD have been called. It was technically a violation. I think Ferentz was right to complain, I was more pissed that he got a 15 yarder after it. I just don't think it was any bigger than a missed holding call which happens every game. Or the no call against PSU last year where Saquon Barkley's knee touched down near the sideline was allowed to pick up 40 yards after.

 

[Ree4]

I’m still not over the BW TD phantom hold call jNW

I was there and remember that like it was yesterday

 

[okeefe4prez]

I was there and remember that like it was yesterday

That call was for the best. If that TD stands, we go into OSU undefeated and the football gods would have willed us to the win. Texas (thanks to some shit calls against Nebraska in a game Nebraska should have won because Suh was unblockable) and Bama would have met for the title and we would have probably gotten trucked by a really good Oregon team in the Rose Bowl.

 

[Ree4]

That call was for the best. If that TD stands, we go into OSU undefeated and the football gods would have willed us to the win. Texas (thanks to some shit calls against Nebraska in a game Nebraska should have won because Suh was unblockable) and Bama would have met for the title and we would have probably gotten trucked by a really good Oregon team in the Rose Bowl.

The TD would've brought the game to a tie so who knows if we would have even won. It did seem to steal all our momentum though so I would've liked our chances.
That Oregon team was beat by OSU - who we took to OT in Columbus with a backup QB in his 1st start. I would've loved to get the opportunity but you're probably right.

 

[okeefe4prez]

The TD would've brought the game to a tie so who knows if we would have even won. It did seem to steal all our momentum though so I would've liked our chances.
That Oregon team was beat by OSU - who we took to OT in Columbus with a backup QB in his 1st start. I would've loved to get the opportunity but you're probably right.

Iowa would have beaten the 'Cats with that TD. Kinnick and the Iowa team deflated after that call. Anyway, I think we have a large enough sample size of Iowa versus the Pac 10 in preeminent bowl games to know what would have happened if Iowa had played Oregon. The game against GT was the best possible matchup.

 

[Ree4]

Iowa would have beaten the 'Cats with that TD. Kinnick and the Iowa team deflated after that call. Anyway, I think we have a large enough sample size of Iowa versus the Pac 10 in preeminent bowl games to know what would have happened if Iowa had played Oregon. The game against GT was the best possible matchup.

We lost by a touchdown, it's impossible to say that we would have won if that TD would have counted. It happened at the end of the first half and there was a lot of ball left to be played - purely conjecture.

2 games in the last 20 years of Iowa versus the Pac 10 in preeminent bowl games would be correctly identified as a small sample size.

GT was definitely a better matchup for sure, that we can agree on.

 

[okeefe4prez]

We lost by a touchdown, it's impossible to say that we would have won if that TD would have counted. It happened at the end of the first half and there was a lot of ball left to be played - purely conjecture.

2 games in the last 20 years of Iowa versus the Pac 10 in preeminent bowl games would be correctly identified as a small sample size.

GT was definitely a better matchup for sure, that we can agree on.

2 games in the past 20 years? Okay, bud, how about this - 5 games in my lifetime and Iowa has been outscored 202-95, with a fairly healthy dose of the 95 coming in mercy time when Iowa's opponents have let off the gas. If I'm not mistaken, Dennis Dixon from Oregon broke his leg, so maybe Iowa would have had a chance in that game, but with Chip Kelly running the offense, I think it would have likely been a 73-9 blowout despite the studs Iowa had on defense.

 

[Ree4]

2 games in the past 20 years? Okay, bud, how about this - 5 games in my lifetime and Iowa has been outscored 202-95, with a fairly healthy dose of the 95 coming in mercy time when Iowa's opponents have let off the gas. If I'm not mistaken, Dennis Dixon from Oregon broke his leg, so maybe Iowa would have had a chance in that game, but with Chip Kelly running the offense, I think it would have likely been a 73-9 blowout despite the studs Iowa had on defense.

5 games in 40 years then? Still a tiny sample. How does anything that happened 40 years ago or even 20 for that matter have any bearing on what would happen today. Ask Nebraska fans. I do like that we're arguing this on a thread about Scott Frost - hahaha, need the season to get here already

 

[okeefe4prez]

5 games in 40 years then? Still a tiny sample. How does anything that happened 40 years ago or even 20 for that matter have any bearing on what would happen today. Ask Nebraska fans. I do like that we're arguing this on a thread about Scott Frost - hahaha, need the season to get here already

Okay, then, add the other times Iowa has played out west during the regular season. Arizona State. Arizona in the 90's and in 2009 (though we almost miraculously came back in that 2009 game). I think we got piss pounded by Oregon a few times in the 90's. I thought we won at Arizona or ASU once back maybe in the Vlasic or Hartlieb days, but our overall record when we go out west and play the Pac 10 is absolutely abysmal. It seems like half the time the score is 14-0 before Iowa even realizes there is a football game being played.

 

[74Hunter]

Then learn the game.

You don't know the rule?! You claim to be a hardcore football fan from a top program.

This is pretty fundamental stuff. Eligible receivers.

Drummer, where did I ever say I am a "hardcore fan?" I'm not paid to know the game, I don't read the rule book, it's not my profession.

Besides, rules change and it seems that I constantly learn something new about the game.

But yeah, I'm sure that you both know all of the rules of football <rollseyes>

FYI, I found the rule, but even one of your own (Ree4) is disputing as to whether that TE was eligible or not. If he wasn't eligible, then a call was missed. It wasn't egregious, hell I've seen worse calls get botched.

Do you know what a chop block is? Milt Tenopir does and taught and regularly used it as part of his blocking schemes because he knew they were above it getting called by officials. It's in his book "Assembly Line" if you'd care to check it out.

I know what a chop block is, but it seems that you (as well as many others) don't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chop_block_(gridiron_football)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut_blocking

Tenopir (and all of our offensive coaches) taught CUT blocking, which was legal at the time but is being fazed out of the game.

Look, bud, I watch SEC football and I'm an Alabama fan so I'm not going to watch every play in Nebraska history to show you the home cooking the Big 8 refs gave to Oklahoma and Nebraska to try to make their game a pre-eminent matchup every year.

So, you're just talking out of your backside? Got it. I thought you were better than that.

But yeah, NU and OU needed all kinds of home cooking to kick the crap outta KU or KSU 56-17.......

As to Kurt's tirade, the Tight End was clearly covered by the outside WR so he was not an eligible receiver. If your team had a decent coach, like Nick or Kurt, their defense would be trained like Iowa's was not to cover the ineligible man.

I thought you were just messing with me, but if this is true then I'd say it is the Iowa coaches need to rethink their coaching strategy.

Do they really want to leave it up to the discretion of the officials? If so, this one play just shows how messed up that strategy is.

Wow, that's racist.

Ouch. That's not what I meant.........

 

[99topdawg]

Drummer, where did I ever say I am a "hardcore fan?" I'm not paid to know the game, I don't read the rule book, it's not my profession.

Besides, rules change and it seems that I constantly learn something new about the game.

But yeah, I'm sure that you both know all of the rules of football <rollseyes>

FYI, I found the rule, but even one of your own (Ree4) is disputing as to whether that TE was eligible or not. If he wasn't eligible, then a call was missed. It wasn't egregious, hell I've seen worse calls get botched.



I know what a chop block is, but it seems that you (as well as many others) don't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chop_block_(gridiron_football)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut_blocking

Tenopir (and all of our offensive coaches) taught CUT blocking, which was legal at the time but is being fazed out of the game.



So, you're just talking out of your backside? Got it. I thought you were better than that.

But yeah, NU and OU needed all kinds of home cooking to kick the crap outta KU or KSU 56-17.......



I thought you were just messing with me, but if this is true then I'd say it is the Iowa coaches need to rethink their coaching strategy.

Do they really want to leave it up to the discretion of the officials? If so, this one play just shows how messed up that strategy is.



Ouch. That's not what I meant.........

I know the difference between a cut block and a chop block. I've coached FB for 23 years, many of those years as an OL coach...so yes, I know the difference.

Tenopir taught chop blocking with the guy blocking high comboing off to the linebacker/first threat (such as a safety blitz) this book was used as a textbook in my Coaching Football Theory class in college in Nebraska and the teacher (the head FB coach at the college) said that they teach it and use it because they know they can get away with it.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Drummer, where did I ever say I am a "hardcore fan?"

I thought all Nebraska fans, like their program were the blue bloods of college football.

But let's say that's not that case with you.. Then why would a "casual" Nebraska fan take the time to hang out on rival chat forums?

Interesting.

 

[74Hunter]

I know the difference between a cut block and a chop block. I've coached FB for 23 years, many of those years as an OL coach...so yes, I know the difference.

Tenopir taught chop blocking with the guy blocking high comboing off to the linebacker/first threat (such as a safety blitz) this book was used as a textbook in my Coaching Football Theory class in college in Nebraska and the teacher (the head FB coach at the college) said that they teach it and use it because they know they can get away with it.

Anecdotal evidence aside, do you have any proof of this?

As a former OL myself during the Tenopir years I'm familiar with the combo block or scrape to the 2nd level. I was never taught to hi-lo a defender.

Maybe I'll drop a DVD in and take a look, but I certainly don't recall that being a staple of his blocking scheme.

 

[99topdawg]

Anecdotal evidence aside, do you have any proof of this?

As a former OL myself during the Tenopir years I'm familiar with the combo block or scrape to the 2nd level. I was never taught to hi-lo a defender.

Maybe I'll drop a DVD in and take a look, but I certainly don't recall that being a staple of his blocking scheme.

It was in the book, we talked about it in class (which again, was at a Nebraska college full of Husker fans) and the head coach at the school, who taught the class, said NU did it and which his own team could get away with it because it's a huge advantage for them. I never watched them, but he would know better than me and again, it was talked about in the book.

 

[Northside Hawk]

2 games in the past 20 years? Okay, bud, how about this - 5 games in my lifetime and Iowa has been outscored 202-95, with a fairly healthy dose of the 95 coming in mercy time when Iowa's opponents have let off the gas. If I'm not mistaken, Dennis Dixon from Oregon broke his leg, so maybe Iowa would have had a chance in that game, but with Chip Kelly running the offense, I think it would have likely been a 73-9 blowout despite the studs Iowa had on defense.

Don't forget about 1993. A young Iowa team that probably didn't deserve to be in a bowl got into one for no other reason than it was the inaugural Alamo Bowl and Hayden provided a Texas connection that might help sell tickets. We were thoroughly dismantled 37-3 by a Cal team in a game that wasn't even that close (I believe Cal missed several field goals and had a TD called back). Like every other team from that conference, they exposed our lack of speed. Hayden admitted in his book that his young team probably wasn't ready for a bowl and called it one of the biggest mistakes in his coaching career. That would increase your cumulative score to 239-98.

We did much better in two subsequent Alamo Bowl appearances and many of the players who were on that 1993 team came back two years later to finally whip a PAC team in a bowl game (Washington in the Sun Bowl)