MelroseHawkins
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Wuuut. Scott Frost is coaching Northwestern now!
Who knew. A guy goes on vacation and ............
Who knew. A guy goes on vacation and ............
Scott Frost on Iowa Rivalry
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WinOneThisCentury
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Honestly, I think we really have to access where the Nebraska program is right now before we really start talking rivalry. A rivalry is a game where the players play spirited with determination regardless of what is at stake. You can throw out records, etc...because what is decided will be hard fought regardless.
The Nebraska game the past three years has been a complete and utter beat down...even though the score in '15 was relatively close. It's more the way Nebraska has played Iowa. They come into the game all excited and ready to show something, but by the second quarter/third quarter they have completely given up. They haven't been able to handle the physicality in game 12 of Iowa. I mention the time, game 12, because this is why I don't think Frost will turn the Iowa series around quickly. Short week, end of the B10 season, it's all about who has the mental toughness and will...Nebraska has failed miserably.
I never thought I'd say it, but Iowa State right now, is the bigger rival.
The Nebraska game the past three years has been a complete and utter beat down...even though the score in '15 was relatively close. It's more the way Nebraska has played Iowa. They come into the game all excited and ready to show something, but by the second quarter/third quarter they have completely given up. They haven't been able to handle the physicality in game 12 of Iowa. I mention the time, game 12, because this is why I don't think Frost will turn the Iowa series around quickly. Short week, end of the B10 season, it's all about who has the mental toughness and will...Nebraska has failed miserably.
I never thought I'd say it, but Iowa State right now, is the bigger rival.
SteveGarvey1
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Hawks will just put some Cornhuskers in the microwave and set it for de-Frost.
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I totally agree playing Nebraska game 12 has for sure been to our benefit. Nebraska actually put up a fight the first half or quarter in a half or so last yr but from then on it was like they were just done. They didn't want to man up and stop the run at all. So there's for sure a mental and physical side of turning things around Frost will have on his hands. It won't matter if he can get the O turned around some if that D is that pathetic again..
ISU I'm afraid will be anything but a pushover. I think that'll be a bit of a high scoring fight like last yrs game was. They'll test our LBs out with how they spread the field and are able to run it out of those formations. Our DL and LBs will certainly have their hands full against them...
MelroseHawkins
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Many rivalries in the past developed from students traveling to the other campus and doing something to their campus or something like stealing something. Those situations have gone by the wayside for the most part. Now people try to manufacture rivalries on the field. Some are natural though. I think the Iowa vs Neb rivalry is gaining steam now that Iowa is consistently beating them and/or playing competitively.
You can tell by listening to their fans or reading what the media pundits write that it is finally getting under their skin.
I still think some Iowa students need to balls up and go to their campus to do a prank or "borrow" something! Get creative.
You can tell by listening to their fans or reading what the media pundits write that it is finally getting under their skin.
I still think some Iowa students need to balls up and go to their campus to do a prank or "borrow" something! Get creative.
Right.
What's funny is, he says Nebraska belongs in the upper echelon or blue bloods of college football.
I'll play.
The early 90's were their hayday right??
So let's look at 1990-1995
Counting bowl games (which should see the numbers big time for Nebraskas favor, championship games tend to boost your numbers when you are playing highly ranked teams)
Iowa played 19 top 20 teams and 2 more within the top 25.
Nebraska played 21 with 2 more within the top 25.
2 more times in their Glory days of 5 years did they play a ranked team than us.
But 4th what about them playing #1 teams? That has to affect the avg ranking a little. While it does, I decided to leave in those trophies they are so proud of, just to make a point.
Out of the top 20 teams each played during that time, Iowa's opponents had an avg of 10.10
Nebraskas, 7.33
I'm not arguing they won more games back in their hayday.
Just pointing out that even in that time, we were playing just as hard of schedules (if not harder when you throw out the bowls)
The b10 has always been more top heavy than what conference they played in. A fact they can't seem to grasp.
okeefe4prez
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Iowa can't even get 2000 kids to show up for games when it is cold outside. Who the hell is gonna drive a Kenworth with a hog trailer on it across state lines to kidnap Nebraska's cheerleaders? I just don't see it happening, bud.
okeefe4prez
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Most of Nebraska's good years came down to them only having two hard games, Oklahoma and then the bowl game. The Big 8 was miserably bad for a long time. And when someone threatened to beat Nebraska, Nebraska would get the benefit of absurd officiating most of the time. Like that 5 downs game. Colorado had a few up years when whats his name was paying all those star players, but outside of that, name a team in the Big 8 that was decent besides Nebraska and Oklahoma. KSU, KU, OSU, Mizzou and ISU were always dismal. The Big Ten was always the Big 2, but one or two of Iowa, Wisconsin (post-Alvarez), Illinois, MSU or Purdue would always have a damn legit team once the scholarship limits neutered Michigan and Ohio State.
Unknownbadger
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Not to add any fuel to Frost's and Nebraska's fire, but since Nebraska entered the league they are 4 and 10 against Iowa and Wisconsin. And have lost 8 of the last 9.
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hawkdrummer1
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I don't recognize any traveling trophy less than 25 years old.
okeefe4prez
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Phew, the Land Grant Trophy was rolled out in 1993, so it just snuck in. Or do you require 25 years from the date of the first game in which it appeared, meaning we still have another few months before you recognize it?
That's why I said, you throw out the bowls and we always did play a harder schedule. So we may not have won as many as the almighty fuskers, but they can't seem to grasp that is because it's always (even when they were a "powerhouse") been harder to win in the b10.
That's why I don't buy this, we are blue bloods and belong in the upper echelon of college football.
I don't hear NDSU saying that and they have won a lot of games.
I hear Nebraska saying that and now after their guy was at UCF them saying that about UCF. Never heard anyone saying that before when they were winning a bunch of games.
hawkeyebob62
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UCF was a perennial bowl team, with the aforementioned 12-1 (which was actually 2013 season). O'Leary had a terrible 2015, quit midseason, and they went 0-12. But it's not like Frost took a perennial loser and turned it around. They had numerous decent-to-good teams starting back in the mid-1990s (they were 1-AA, and prior to that, D-2). Basically, they were the UNI of the state of Florida, i.e., "expected" to make their division playoffs every year, then had growing pains in D-1 (didn't cakewalk the MAC like they thought they would, but it definitely opened up bowl opportunities for them).
They joined the MAC when they realized that, as an independent, bowl trips wouldn't be there unless they were all-world. They had a 9-2 season in 1998 (?), beat MAC winner, and ranked, Toledo mercilessly in their season finale, but didn't get a bowl bid. Thus, the MAC, then the Big East after that conference experienced the exodus of teams to the ACC, which became the AAC.
Frost did a good job. But it was not a "miracle work" by any means. Their 2017 schedule was not a murderer's row. They avoided Georgia tech via Hurricane Irma, and replaced with Austin Peay. They also avoided Maine, but did replace with the originally-cancelled game against Memphis, who they also met in the CCG. Memphis, at that point, was ranked 20, but was unranked when they played during the season.
Oddly, Frost NOW turns up his nose at UCFs self-proclaimed "championship", although, as a player at Nebraska, he all but campaigned for Nebraska to win a share in 1997 because it was Osborne's last season. My guess is he would've been a huge supporter if he had still been at UCF when it all took place. And frankly, they got slow-walked/ranked by the CFP committee and had as much right to CFP as anyone. Not saying they would have won, but they were definitely treated like a non-P5 "expects" to be treated.
I was all okay with the guy until he recently snagged one of UCFs returning safeties to Nebraska as a grad transfer. That's the kind of shit I expect from a Harbaugh, or even a Saban (reports of Saban being a "class" act are strictly comedy) or Pete Carroll. Hell, it's straight out of the $EC playbook. But it should have no place in the B1G. You don't rank on your previous employer like that, especially if you were the one initiating the parting of ways.
HawkGold
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It happens in the real world. Nice drive through btw.
Nebraska will be much stronger, much better conditioned and much more disciplined as a team. Their recruiting is on a par with our Ol and DL. Their skill position players are rated much better. They will improve dramatically and quickly. They are thin this year. Do not kid yourselves Frost is a good coach.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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Kind of like Dantonio’s years straddling the 3-9 season. Sure, great turnaround, but it’s not nearly as impressive as just looking at the two seasons. It also helps when you aren’t coaching a power five team.
MelroseHawkins
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Yea, prob right.
https://forum.huskermax.com/index.php?threads/media-guide-weights-wow.104868/page-3
Short side knows wtf he is talking about. They will get better. But not as fast as everyone thinks.
This getting people to believe in themselves is something I am familiar with. However what he doesn't say is, when it comes to training, technic is crucial in maximizing gains.
Yes getting people to believe in themselves is huge.
I just prefer to say ok this is what we are going to do and I don't care if you want to or not. 4-6 weeks later it's not hype or believing, it's fact and knowing. Hype always falls short in the end.
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hawkdrummer1
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Good question. I would suggest any trophy created post mass TV coverage (somewhere in the early 90s)...is questionable. They may be approved on an individual basis. Land Grant might make the cut as Penn St's entry into the B1G created a new "rivalry" as they were designated "rivals" for the final regular season game.
The Heartland is an example of a contrived trophy. Iowa and Wisconsin have been playing for 100 years. If no theme or story around a the creation of a trophy hasn't emerged by then...don't fabricate one. Floyd has a great history, the old oaken bucket does as well, The little brown jug, etc.
Unknownbadger
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I don't care one way or another but eventually the Heartland, and others as well, will be 25+ years old. So what you are saying is the only trophies that should exist are those of decades and decades ago.
