Then learn the game.
So you go to MSU undefeated and have some shit call like this and you would call it a "meaningless game"?
Good try bud.
Scott Frost on Iowa Rivalry
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Good try bud.
okeefe4prez
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The rule is that you have to have 7 players on the line of scrimmage and the only two players on the line of scrimmage who are eligible receivers are the guys on the end of the line. The outside receiver needed to line up a yard in the backfield to make that a legal play.
Iowa beat a very good Illinois team in 2007 in large part because a long pass, maybe even a TD, got called back because the slot guy caught it and was covered by the outside guy. Ferentz's defenses have a long history of not covering the inside guy when he is ineligible and they are extremely well coached in that regard.
hawkdrummer1
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You don't know the rule?! You claim to be a hardcore football fan from a top program.
This is pretty fundamental stuff. Eligible receivers.
Final score we beat them 28-20.
But I think it's a pretty messed up call against an unbeaten team. Same as the one I posted against MSU. It's one thing to try and make Nebraska relevant but to officiate in games where possible national championship runs on on the line time after time in their favor is complete garbage.
Once is a coincidence twice is a pattern.
You want bulletin board material for every team Nebraska plays? There it is. You had better whoop the crap out of them, because the officials will do everything possible to keep them in games. Even at the expense of ruining a perfect season.
99topdawg
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Do you know what a chop block is? Milt Tenopir does and taught and regularly used it as part of his blocking schemes because he knew they were above it getting called by officials. It's in his book "Assembly Line" if you'd care to check it out.
HawkGold
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It's easier than targeting OSU, M, Wisky. and PSU. The others need to get to Iowa level before those. I'd rather they be targeting Wisky.
NoBeer
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Wow, that's racist.
Ree4
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After watching the video it looked like the receiver was off the line of scrimmage (roughly 2 yards) and about 2/3 yard behind the TE, hence the tight end was not covered up. There were still 7 on the line of scrimmage with the double TE so the no-call wasn't that egregious...I'm sure there are bigger calls/no-calls out there to bitch about
hawkdrummer1
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Watch again, he was definitely covered up.
Ree4
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I watched several times, thanks. The TE is CLEARLY on the line... his helmet lines up between the center's waistline and the line of scrimmage. The receiver is clearly in the backfield, at least 1 yard behind the line of scrimmage... not sure what the big deal is.
I do like the little bit at the end that shows their feet are on the same yard-line, as if that matters... Maybe that's where you're confused?
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ArvadaHawk
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really? that TE was not eligible. since he was covered by the WR, and he was on the LOS, he was a lineman. only uncovered linemen can be eligible. if that isn't good enough, then you're just trolling. i get it. ha ha. go knowledge university and all that.
ArvadaHawk
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ree, look at the white circles. at one point, it shows the WR's front foot on the same yard line as the TE's foot. they are both on the los. go to the 3:09 mark.
WinOneThisCentury
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i think we need to establish some rules on how far back we can go to complain about the officiating.
Rule #1 - If Iowa ultimately wins the game the time for complaining about officials is 12 months time for going back, complaining, providing video evidence, highlighting feet, and providing commentary.
Rule #2 - If Iowa loses, there is no statute of limitations on complaining. You can provide video evidence, feet highlighting, game commentary by announcers calling it out, and other any other assets that you can bring to the table. (Evidenced by the Florida bowl game in 2006 recently posted for remembrance and condemnation.) Even though this behavior reminds me of my wife, it shall be allowed.
Rule #1 - If Iowa ultimately wins the game the time for complaining about officials is 12 months time for going back, complaining, providing video evidence, highlighting feet, and providing commentary.
Rule #2 - If Iowa loses, there is no statute of limitations on complaining. You can provide video evidence, feet highlighting, game commentary by announcers calling it out, and other any other assets that you can bring to the table. (Evidenced by the Florida bowl game in 2006 recently posted for remembrance and condemnation.) Even though this behavior reminds me of my wife, it shall be allowed.
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ArvadaHawk
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so you're saying that two different players that have their feet on the same yard line, one is on the los and one is considered in the backfield? please show us that rule in the rule book.
Ree4
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Yes, because one is leaning forward, and the other is standing up. Could you imagine a defensive lineman with his feet on the line of scrimmage but his head is a yard across the ball on the other side? Foot placement doesn't matter, it matters where your head lines up. I'll at least provide a link to a good article that talks about it:
Article
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Ree4
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Rule 2, Section 27
Lineman and Back
ARTICLE 4. a. Lineman.
1. A lineman is any Team A player legally on his scrimmage line (Rule
2-21-2).
2. A Team A player is legally on his scrimmage line when he faces his
opponent’s goal line with the line of his shoulders approximately
parallel thereto and either (a) he is the snapper (Rule 2-27-8) or (b)
his head breaks the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of
the snapper.
While a back is defined as any Team A player who is not a lineman and whose head or shoulder does not break the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of the nearest Team A lineman. This rule is rarely called for reasons shown in the article. So while technically a "violation", they will never call this.
As I said earlier "the no-call wasn't that egregious...I'm sure there are bigger calls/no-calls out there to bitch about"
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okeefe4prez
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I disagree. There are some coaches that exude class on the sideline. They are guys like Nick, Kirk, Tressel before he hung it up. Those sorts of guys will get moderately worked up over a missed hold or something like that, but when you see guys like that blow their top it is only on egregious calls that have the potential to be outcome determinative. I was at that game and it was clear that scoring was going to be at a premium because it was so cold. Iowa got lucky on two long run plays, otherwise Nebraska probably wins that game. That was an absolutely critical play in the game and Ferentz was justified losing his top.
I remember when Clemson beat us a few years ago, Nick lost it because Clemson ran a pick that went for a TD (maybe they ran 2, I forget). What may look to you as inconsequential or not egregious can be a huge play and when you see a normally mellow, reserved guy lose it, you know it's a bad call. These guys are the deans of CFB coaches, not someone like Ron Zook or some other guy who threw 20 tantrums per game.
okeefe4prez
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This is also false. They called in the Illinois game in 2007 against Illinois. The defenses are coached to not worry about the covered guy because he is ineligible. It gets called, but it rarely happens because the offenses are coached pretty well on their formations.
The one that rarely gets called is illegal man downfield. I forget how far it is, but the o-line can only go 3 or 5 yards downfield on a pass play until the ball is thrown. With these scrambling QBs, the lines have started to migrate further and further down the field and you'll see the defense collapse once the line is too far down field, but then the ref doesn't call it. With all the money in P5 football, they could easily run a system similar to Eagle Eye that NASCAR runs to monitor the alignment and illegal man downfield penalties because it is clear that the refs are far too consumed with other matters to correctly call them and they are rote, mechanical penalties that can objectively be called by a computer.
ArvadaHawk
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foot placement sure does matter. that's how they tell if someone is on the LOS or not. Its the front foot. by your way of thinking, a LT in a 2-point stance could have his outside leg a yard behind his front foot and he'd be an eligible receiver. and on defense, there is no rules about how many players you can or cannot have on the los. the only rule is you can't be offsides. on offense, there are rules and players feet are used to determine if they are on the LOS or not.
