Scott Frost on Iowa Rivalry

hawkdrummer1 said:
Good question. I would suggest any trophy created post mass TV coverage (somewhere in the early 90s)...is questionable. They may be approved on an individual basis. Land Grant might make the cut as Penn St's entry into the B1G created a new "rivalry" as they were designated "rivals" for the final regular season game.

The Heartland is an example of a contrived trophy. Iowa and Wisconsin have been playing for 100 years. If no theme or story around a the creation of a trophy hasn't emerged by then...don't fabricate one. Floyd has a great history, the old oaken bucket does as well, The little brown jug, etc.
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Let me sit down for this one. Are you saying that brainstorming sessions in the board room at Hy-Vee or at the Iowa Corn Growers Association isn't the organic creation of a football trophy? You're nuts, bruh.
 
Unknownbadger said:
I don't care one way or another but eventually the Heartland, and others as well, will be 25+ years old. So what you are saying is the only trophies that should exist are those of decades and decades ago.
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No.

I'm saying a rivalry trophy should have some compelling organic story behind it that's deeper than "Hey, let's make a trophy, everybody else has one". For example, I could see Michigan St and Nebraska playing for the Sadler-Foltz trophy...which would carry real meaning.

But hey, somewhere around the late 90s, it became the norm for everybody to get a trophy so every game needs one too apparently.
 
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hawkdrummer1 said:
No.

I'm saying a rivalry trophy should have some compelling organic story behind it that's deeper than "Hey, let's make a trophy, everybody else has one". But hey, somewhere around the late 90s, it became the norm for everybody to get a trophy so every game needs one too apparently.
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Was it Diaco at UConn that tried to manufacture a trophy and a rivalry with a Florida team, like FIU or Central Florida or something and the other team basically laughed at him?
 
Well, we have been gunning for them and will continue to do so. As far as I'm concerned, they are our #1 rival. We hate their arrogant, overrated asses and now we have their attention. At least Wisconsin's coach has some modicum of humility and knows to keep his mouth shut.

The game is in Kinnick this year. Bring it, Frosty. By the way, the temps may be in the 30s with wind chills in the teens. Your Florida spread it out offense may not cut it in that weather. Your QB will be wearing gloves
 
baby steps......It is the one "rivalry" game that they could make competitive quickly. Obviously, everyone at Nebraska wants a lot more than to just beat Iowa, but you have to start somewhere. If I were Scott Frost I would target Iowa, also.
 
okeefe4prez said:
And when someone threatened to beat Nebraska, Nebraska would get the benefit of absurd officiating most of the time.
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Huh? You'll have to give me some instances of this.

Like that 5 downs game
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The only 5th down game I recall was CU beating Mizzou in 1990.

Most of Nebraska's good years came down to them only having two hard games, Oklahoma and then the bowl game. The Big 8 was miserably bad for a long time.

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Colorado had a few up years when whats his name was paying all those star players, but outside of that, name a team in the Big 8 that was decent besides Nebraska and Oklahoma. KSU, KU, OSU, Mizzou and ISU were always dismal. The Big Ten was always the Big 2, but one or two of Iowa, Wisconsin (post-Alvarez), Illinois, MSU or Purdue would always have a damn legit team once the scholarship limits neutered Michigan and Ohio State.
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While the Big 8 wasn't always a juggernaut, it wasn't much different than the Big 10, OSU/UM v OU/NU,and another respectable team or two.

Okie State had some really good teams, especially with Thurman Thomas, Barry Sanders, Gundy, and Hart Lee Dikes. ISU actually had a couple of good teams in the mid 70's. Mizzou had decent teams off and on, especially in the 70's with Kellen Winslow and James Wilder. CU also had some good teams in the 70's, and had a really good run from the late 80's until the early 2000's. KU and KSU were horrible.....until they hired Mason and Snyder, respectively. Both had top 10 teams.

In 95 (yeah it was an oddity) the Big 8 had 4 teams finish in the top 10, all whom which destroyed their bowl opponents.
 
if Frost can hold this team together through the gauntlet they face this year...I'll be the first to pat him on the back. I honestly think this thing could get away from him the first year. That's a really tough road schedule boys...one I wouldn't want to play. To win with that schedule, you better be solid and deep in the OL/DL...I do not believe they are either at this point. Games are won in the trenches boys...their trenches have been raped and pillaged for a few years now. Raping and pillaging is a hard thing to forget.

The truth of the matter is that Nebraska could be much better and still finish 6-6 or 5-7.
 
74Hunter said:
Huh? You'll have to give me some instances of this.

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The only 5th down game I recall was CU beating Mizzou in 1990.



While the Big 8 wasn't always a juggernaut, it wasn't much different than the Big 10, OSU/UM v OU/NU,and another respectable team or two.

Okie State had some really good teams, especially with Thurman Thomas, Barry Sanders, Gundy, and Hart Lee Dikes. ISU actually had a couple of good teams in the mid 70's. Mizzou had decent teams off and on, especially in the 70's with Kellen Winslow and James Wilder. CU also had some good teams in the 70's, and had a really good run from the late 80's until the early 2000's. KU and KSU were horrible.....until they hired Mason and Snyder, respectively. Both had top 10 teams.

In 95 (yeah it was an oddity) the Big 8 had 4 teams finish in the top 10, all whom which destroyed their bowl opponents.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/75400088

http://www.espn.com/college-football/bowls05/news/story?id=2274608


Shall I continue?
When you think of upper level, who qualifies, besides Nebraska. We get it y'all think you are all that and a bag of chips. Is OSU? Michigan? PSU? Maybe a Pac12 champ or a Florida or LSU like we played in bowl alignment? Maybe even a MSU or Wisconsin would be close to that status??
This ain't Kansas no more Dorthy.
 
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4thngoal said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/75400088

http://www.espn.com/college-football/bowls05/news/story?id=2274608


Shall I continue?
When you think of upper level, who qualifies, besides Nebraska. We get it y'all think you are all that and a bag of chips. Is OSU? Michigan? PSU? Maybe a Pac12 champ or a Florida or LSU like we played in bowl alignment? Maybe even a MSU or Wisconsin would be close to that status??
This ain't Kansas no more Dorthy.
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Is there a point to any of this?

OK4P intimated that the Big 8 would home cook calls to help NU win championships. None of these instances happened while we were in the Big 8. Sometimes you get a call, sometimes you don't.

Besides, these are 3 meaningless games. I can think of 2 or 3 games in which officials calls went against us, and we lost a shot at National Championship.

Tell me this, can you point to the rule infraction that led to Kurt's hissy fit because I'm not aware of it.
 
74Hunter said:
Is there a point to any of this?

OK4P intimated that the Big 8 would home cook calls to help NU win championships. None of these instances happened while we were in the Big 8. Sometimes you get a call, sometimes you don't.

Besides, these are 3 meaningless games. I can think of 2 or 3 games in which officials calls went against us, and we lost a shot at National Championship.

Tell me this, can you point to the rule infraction that led to Kurt's hissy fit because I'm not aware of it.
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Look, bud, I watch SEC football and I'm an Alabama fan so I'm not going to watch every play in Nebraska history to show you the home cooking the Big 8 refs gave to Oklahoma and Nebraska to try to make their game a pre-eminent matchup every year. And I'm sorry for mixing up your crap bag program with the one in Colorado. I can't recall every second tier program in the country. But I'm sure the 5 down game was the only mistake the refs ever made, right pal?

As to Kurt's tirade, the Tight End was clearly covered by the outside WR so he was not an eligible receiver. If your team had a decent coach, like Nick or Kurt, their defense would be trained like Iowa's was not to cover the ineligible man. Maybe if your boys spent more time playing pass defense on guys who can actually catch the ball and not worrying about setting up a zone to cover linemen in pass routes you could win double digit games again.
 
74Hunter said:
Is there a point to any of this?

OK4P intimated that the Big 8 would home cook calls to help NU win championships. None of these instances happened while we were in the Big 8. Sometimes you get a call, sometimes you don't.

Besides, these are 3 meaningless games. I can think of 2 or 3 games in which officials calls went against us, and we lost a shot at National Championship.

Tell me this, can you point to the rule infraction that led to Kurt's hissy fit because I'm not aware of it.
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maybe you didn't watch the video. but the TE that caught the pass was covered by the WR and was ineligible. it was obvious and it was pointed out very obviously in the video. so, no hissy fit. righteous anger.
 
74Hunter said:
Is there a point to any of this?

OK4P intimated that the Big 8 would home cook calls to help NU win championships. None of these instances happened while we were in the Big 8. Sometimes you get a call, sometimes you don't.

Besides, these are 3 meaningless games. I can think of 2 or 3 games in which officials calls went against us, and we lost a shot at National Championship.

Tell me this, can you point to the rule infraction that led to Kurt's hissy fit because I'm not aware of it.
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Wasn't MSU undefeated up to that game?
 
MoseSchrute said:
Seems like everyone ends up targeting Iowa. Barry, Patty, Dantonio. The list grows.
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Admiral Fleck, Kevin Wilson when he coached Indiana, even Ash at Rutgers. He is a former Iowa prep coach who admitted that he had the 2016 matchup circled.

Fitz will say in the press that he respects Iowa's program and admires what Ferentz has accomplished. Bullshit! He'd like to knock our quarterback out of the game every year. Hell the way he's spins Iowa hate he probably blames us for Persa's Achilles injury that knocked him out of a bowl game.
 
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ArvadaHawk said:
maybe you didn't watch the video. but the TE that caught the pass was covered by the WR and was ineligible. it was obvious and it was pointed out very obviously in the video. so, no hissy fit. righteous anger.
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Again, I don't know the rule. From what I've read it was fine. If you have any info contrary, I'd like to be educated.
 
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