Schwartz: 12 Sentences – Let’s Watch Hawkeye Football In 2020 Edition

[Motigerhawk]

I think that you open it up in some fashion.
It's pretty much a personal choice. It's a choice for each states government, each college and ultimately each person if they want to attend.
I've thought about this quite a bit and while the answers are not exactly easy, I keep coming back to the fact that people have choices and that is life. I mean if you want to go spend the night with 3 hookers in Vegas, that is your choice, but you accept the risk. You want to drive 120 mph, that's your choice, but you accept the risk. If spicy food doesn't agree with you and you choose to eat it....,...
Maybe it's actually a good thing and gives people a sense of taking responsibility for themselves?
In the end I think you open it up, because if you don't, there is going to be watch parties. So you can have 30 or more people all sitting in the same room of a bar or something and if one is infected and sneezes, the atomized saliva will stay airborne for a long time with the air movement of just people moving around. So the case then seems to point to is sitting outside with 30 people around you safer than inside with 30 people sitting around you? I would say outside is definitely safer.
Now that said, I think that safety margin starts to go down when you factor in tailgating and even sitting in the train. So if you tried to somewhat chill on huge groups of tailgating and kept them groups smaller and wore a n95 mask if you had to ride the train, I would say your odds of catching it are about the same as going to a indoor bar/restaurant and watching the game. Possibly even lower. Or at least close enough that it is negligible.
(Besides they hand out hawk towels at the gate. You would think if someone were going to cough or sneeze even without this whole covid thing, they would be smart enough to do so into the towel. Just saying)

Good post. Some of your points are valid about personal choice, i.e. the hooker in Vegas, that will not harm anyone but yourself. But the driving 120 mph down the highway does put others in jeopardy and that is where I am with this. Sure you can do what you want. That is what this country is basically about. I get the idea of doing what you want. But when it puts others at risk, I feel there should be limitations. Not forever, but until we get a handle on this.

Right now, health care professionals are really POed about the opening up. They see what is going on 1st hand, and if they think this is a bad idea, who am I to argue?

I want Iowa football and I want my daughters to go back to college and my younger experience her 1st year on campus. But if another 100k plus die, is it worth it? I think that is what it ultimately comes down to, what is the price that you are willing pay?

 

[RobHowe]

No of us KNOWS what's going to happen. That was the point of my column I posted today. This is an experiment. We'll find out.

So, asking, what is the price that you are willing to pay? is an unanswerable question unless we know the actual price. The virus is novel (new). Experts are learning as we go. And who KNOWS where things will be at at the beginning of September if/when Iowa plays football? It's May 25.

 

[4thngoal]

Good post. Some of your points are valid about personal choice, i.e. the hooker in Vegas, that will not harm anyone but yourself. But the driving 120 mph down the highway does put others in jeopardy and that is where I am with this. Sure you can do what you want. That is what this country is basically about. I get the idea of doing what you want. But when it puts others at risk, I feel there should be limitations. Not forever, but until we get a handle on this.

Right now, health care professionals are really POed about the opening up. They see what is going on 1st hand, and if they think this is a bad idea, who am I to argue?

I want Iowa football and I want my daughters to go back to college and my younger experience her 1st year on campus. But if another 100k plus die, is it worth it? I think that is what it ultimately comes down to, what is the price that you are willing pay?

Well, my thought is this, even if you are in a room, say a big room and you can maintain 6 ft. Amongst everyone. But you have people coming and going, waitresses moving around and the AC/heat running and one person sneezes?? I hate to break it to you but those smaller microns of saliva will continue to float almost indefinitely. 6ft or not, they will ride the air currents. So someone could sneeze and 5 minutes later you get up to go to the bathroom or leave and you could be walking through it and/or affecting the air currents.
So unless you think we can afford to completely shut down the country. I'm talking food supplies and everything, the virus is going to be out there. All we can do at this point is try to use our heads a little bit and decide a reasonably safe course of action with the understanding that there are risks and people should take personal responsibility for their actions knowing that there are risks.

 

[RobHowe]

Let's stop with the discussion of what we THINK the virus will do. We don't KNOW. And I don't want this becoming a pissing match on here of what we believe.

Thanks.

 

[Motigerhawk]

No of us KNOWS what's going to happen. That was the point of my column I posted today. This is an experiment. We'll find out.

So, asking, what is the price that you are willing to pay? is an unanswerable question unless we know the actual price. The virus is novel (new). Experts are learning as we go. And who KNOWS where things will be at at the beginning of September if/when Iowa plays football? It's May 25.

There is history to these things. And history usually repeats itself unless you do something different. History tells us the 2nd wave is worse than the 1st wave. Well, from hearing how health care professionals feel about opening up and seeing and reading about people going back to normal when the virus is still out there and there is no vaccine, I have an idea of what the price will be. Right now the only saving grace to this is that hospitals will be better prepared for the next wave. Hopefully that saves a lot of lives. We are better prepared and, yes, we do not know what the Summer will bring. But when the front line people are mad and history shows what happens. You have some clue.

 

[RobHowe]

Listen, I've gone out of my way to be understanding throughout this whole pandemic. After allowing the wild west on here for two months, I've posted RULES and tacked them to the top of the message board.

YOU DON'T KNOW. You're falling back in history, which DOES NOT always repeat itself. It's a NOVEL virus.

Please stop or I will have no other choice but to make it stop. Thank you.

 

[HuckFinn]

Who got banned? Must have been someone I blocked. If it is none of my business, that’s fine. Only a curiosity question.

 

[homes]

Barring something like the University charging $500 a ticket, if the stadium is opened this fall to the fans, I'm going to the games. I don't need to tailgate and to give random high fives to some guy I don't know, but I will go, because there will have been health care professionals who were a part of the decision to open the stadium. And I won't drive 120 mph to get there, or bring along 3 Vegas hookers, but I'll wear a mask and gloves if I'm required (maybe even if I'm not), and watch the Hawkeyes vie for a Big Ten title, and then I'll go home, and spend the rest of the week being just as judicious and cautious around other people, particularly the elderly and infirm. And I'll do it just the same the next time the Hawkeyes are at Kinnick. That's my hope for this fall. If others don't want to join in, so be it. I think you'll be missing out, but that's up to you.

 

[RobHowe]

If you end up bringing hookers, make sure you practice social distancing.

Again, we'll just have to see how this plays out. One interesting angle for me will be if only a limited amount of fans are allowed in Kinnick, how many and who?

 

[homes]

If you end up bringing hookers, make sure you practice social distancing.

Again, we'll just have to see how this plays out. One interesting angle for me will be if only a limited amount of fans are allowed in Kinnick, how many and who?

If it is a rule limiting the number of fans, I trust it won't include this person:

 

[RobHowe]

If it is a rule limiting the number of fans, I trust it won't include this person:

She might fit in better at CHA

 

[4thngoal]

Let's stop with the discussion of what we THINK the virus will do. We don't KNOW. And I don't want this becoming a pissing match on here of what we believe.

Thanks.

I understand Rob, but the article is an opinion piece about what could happen or should happen. If discussion about other opinions and especially discussions containing factual things about the flu that is affecting Iowa football are not allowed on a forum on a article that is an opinion piece,
Then what you have is a soap box site.
No different than an article saying they think a player could be really good and someone else saying meh he's ok, but not all that and a bag of chips.
I understand our opinions do not mean anything concerning what is or will happen at the University, but if you lock every thread and ban everyone for having and expressing an opinion, then why even have a chat forum at all?
I don't come on here as much as I used to and so I don't know what you have been dealing with. I know the last couple months have been stressful for a lot of people and people tend to go a little bat shit when on lockdown. But in just the few times I have been on here in the last couple weeks, it seems as if you don't think anyone should have an opinion about anything going on with college football right now and I am sorry but the only reason anything out of the ordinary is going on is because of the flu.
So I guess ban me or whatever, because I don't want to be a part of a group where I get jumped on Everytime I express an opinion or present facts for people to think about.
I guess if we are not allowed to converse about our different ideas, facts and opinions concerning something that is affecting Iowa sports, I'll see you in the funny papers. Because I have about 50 other places to read people's opinions about college sports, including Iowa sports

 

[RobHowe]

If people could have mature conversation about the topic while sharing opinions, it’d be one thing. We’ve all seen that’s not happening.

“I have a study that says this.”

“But I have a study that says this, idiot.”

Nope. Not happening here.

If that’s not for you, well, like you said, there are other places to talk Hawkeye Sports.

 

[Briggs32]

If people could have mature conversation about the topic while sharing opinions, it’d be one thing. We’ve all seen that’s not happening.

“I have a study that says this.”

“But I have a study that says this, idiot.”

Nope. Not happening here.

If that’s not for you, well, like you said, there are other places to talk Hawkeye Sports.

Hey Rob. How's it going?

 

[RobHowe]

I’m currently grilling, so I’m doing pretty well.

 

[Motigerhawk]

Posted this in another thread, but in case anyone wants to see it, I will pos it here as well. Its a pretty interesting picture of a 1918 Georgia Tech football game during the spanish flu pandemic.

 

[oregonhawkeye]

Best Schwartz column maybe ever. He takes a strong stand and speaks rationally.

 

[4thngoal]

If people could have mature conversation about the topic while sharing opinions, it’d be one thing. We’ve all seen that’s not happening.

“I have a study that says this.”

“But I have a study that says this, idiot.”

Nope. Not happening here.

If that’s not for you, well, like you said, there are other places to talk Hawkeye Sports.

Well I definitely understand that. Like I said I didn't know what you have been dealing with. Also like I said lots of people seem to have gone bat shit crazy. I was hoping to come on here and find intelligent conversation, because you can't find intelligent civil conversation hardly anywhere these days.

 

[Seth53]

I was recently thrilled when my local Quad Cities newspaper ran a front-page non-COVID story above the fold.

 

[uihawk82]

I think if fans are able to get in the stands there is going to be one, long time element to Hawkeye Football that will be missing...ALCOHOL. I just don't see how you can allow fans to be drinking...even in the tailgate area. Alcohol is idiot juice to most 18-25 year olds...hell...and a lot of people much older (I speak from personal experience here). You can't have a slobbering drunk spewing spit across an entire section of fans. Face masks are obviously mandatory...but policing that is going to be difficult and even more complex if you deal with drunks.

I, for one, if it was part of the requirements to have a zero alcohol on Kinnick grounds...to allow for Hawkeye Football, would sign up immediately.

Listen...I'm in California and there used to be a time when you could drag as much alcohol to the beach as you wanted...set up camp all day...build a pallet fire...and spend time until 11:00pm on the beach...some beaches later than that. They banned alcohol on all where I live...and somehow the beaches are still popular. I know it's not a 100% ban...as you can't police everything...but you don't want the fine if they do. $250 for the first offense...$1000 for the second.

I'm sure this post will bring out the constitutional rights people...but if you want a safe environment...and want football...I just don't see how you can allow any alcohol.

Kinnick Stadium is private property and I am not sure but is it state land as part of a state university?? and much of the surrounding tailgate areas are public land. I am pretty sure the governing bodies in control of those lands can institute an alcohol ban on an event if they want to for public health reasons. So the constitutional rights people who want to see a game in person or on tv should not get too vocal if this situation comes up.