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[HuckFinn]

Well, if the back to back national champ's coach is saying the majority of his players are going to enter into the portal, and some are already bought and paid for, how do you think a .500 team with a possible lame duck coach is going to fare?

Dan Hurley: '50% or more' of UConn men's basketball roster considering transfer portal

UConn coach Dan Hurley said 50% or more of his roster is considering the transfer portal this offseason during an interview with "60 Minutes":

www.usatoday.com

You may be ignoring the simple fact that his team members are huge targets for the NBA, a ton of programs that have huge $$, are part of the one and done fraternity. That ain’t Iowa players. Don’t forget. We are, along with many other BT programs, developmental in nature. You are posting a false equivalency.

To be clear, I don’t know if we will see Iowa players move into the portal. I just, given what I see, do not believe that will be a big issue. And, we did get a 4**** transfer who has been with the team for the past few months. And, Fran’s recruits look pretty salty.

If we have kids transfer, as they have in the past, they tend to be seeking more playing time and moving to lower level programs.

Just sayin’

 

[BigD]

You may be ignoring the simple fact that his team members are huge targets for the NBA, a ton of programs that have huge $$, are part of the one and done fraternity. That ain’t Iowa players. Don’t forget. We are, along with many other BT programs, developmental in nature. You are posting a false equivalency.

To be clear, I don’t know if we will see Iowa players move into the portal. I just, given what I see, do not believe that will be a big issue. And, we did get a 4**** transfer who has been with the team for the past few months. And, Fran’s recruits look pretty salty.

If we have kids transfer, as they have in the past, they tend to be seeking more playing time and moving to lower level programs.

Just sayin’

Truth here also.

There have been some very good thought post in this thread.

We will see what happens. Can’t blame Beth if she stands put for one more season or if she cuts ties with Fran and goes a different direction.

The whole thing with a family reunion over at another basketball program (Butler) is VERY unusual. Can’t blame Beth either way. If Fran stays and struggles next season I just don’t see him possibly surviving after next season. He will be gone or Beth will be, or both.

Is this a game of “clue” and the butler did?

 

[NorthKCHawk]

You may be ignoring the simple fact that his team members are huge targets for the NBA, a ton of programs that have huge $$, are part of the one and done fraternity. That ain’t Iowa players. Don’t forget. We are, along with many other BT programs, developmental in nature. You are posting a false equivalency.

To be clear, I don’t know if we will see Iowa players move into the portal. I just, given what I see, do not believe that will be a big issue. And, we did get a 4**** transfer who has been with the team for the past few months. And, Fran’s recruits look pretty salty.

If we have kids transfer, as they have in the past, they tend to be seeking more playing time and moving to lower level programs.

Just sayin’

I think what you are underestimating is that every college kid in the nation is a free agent at the end of every season and they all have agents. Yes, Iowa's players, for the most part, are not blue chip/NBA players, but when UConn's kids get poached by Texas, where do you think schools like UConn are going to look to backfill? Developmental schools like Iowa. You don't think Owne Freeman could transfer to about any school in the country short of about 10 blue bloods? Josh Dix would be a valuable addition to a lot of Top 20 rosters.

My point is that there is tier 1 (blue bloods), tier 2 (Top 25), and tier 3 (which Iowa is barely in). That is a lot of programs above Iowa's weight class in terms of NIL and prestige that could easily pick the bones and leave Iowa without its top players next year.

IMHO, it would almost be stupid for these kids to not have their agents test the waters and see if some SEC school would not offer 500k for you to transfer. Iowa can't keep up with that.

 

[Gander Hawk]

Iowa is a long way from being a top half of the conference team, regardless of who comes back next season and I would say chances are high that MOST of it won't return even if Fran is back. I mean, a lot of us expected Iowa to be pretty good this year, they aren't, and they aren't really close. So, the question arises in my mind, what is the upside of keeping Fran other than to NOT pay his buy out?

I keep hearing that players are defecting but see no indication other than message boards. From all appearances, Fran's players love him. He's recruiting well and the main concern seems to be about attendance. While Fran plays a role in that I don't see the University doing a lot to get people to games.

 

[Gander Hawk]

TRUTH HERE ALSO

That's why I have changed my tune about keeping the Basketball and Football coaches. Are there no billionaire Iowa grads hanging around? Are we set in stone to be a middle of the pack (given the amount of teams in the B1G conference, middle of the pack isn't bad) with both head coaches? I think so in both sports. If we lose a bunch basketball players in the portal after this season, middle of the pack will be wishful thinking.

This is another issue that seems to be taken for granted with no evidence I've seen, that Iowa has no money to sign players. They just signed a top 40 player from Florida with no ties to Iowa that I've seen. I can't believe he couldn't get paid if so many schools are throwing money around.

 

[Fryowa]

IMHO, it would almost be stupid for these kids to not have their agents test the waters and see if some SEC school would not offer 500k for you to transfer. Iowa can't keep up with that.

As someone who didn’t have a pot to piss in as a kid (but had a great childhood btw), and even as a lifelong die hard Hawkeye fan, this is exactly what I’d tell my own kid. People who say or think otherwise likely grew up with silver spoons in their mouths.

Say what you will about money not being the most important thing in life, but the amounts of money we are dealing with here are life-changing even if a kid doesn’t go on to play professionally.

You take a kid who grew up lower middle class and give him an extra $500K as in your example, and that’s a house and a brand new car to start out with in life. Imagine having no mortgage or car payment as a 24 year old looking for a job plus the other money you made playing in college. It opens up your opportunities and options infinitely.

People who say, “Screw that, they should stay at Iowa out of loyalty to the fans and program” have never had to worry about how they’re going to pay their house, vehicle, and daycare bills. If they have and still say that…those people are idiots.

 

[Fryowa]

I keep hearing that players are defecting but see no indication other than message boards. From all appearances, Fran's players love him. He's recruiting well and the main concern seems to be about attendance. While Fran plays a role in that I don't see the University doing a lot to get people to games.

The Rivals board (Hawkeye Beacon) has a lot of folks who are intimately close to the sports programs at Iowa and more often than not the things they say are true. It would be pretty dumb to post something like that with no truth to it. I’ve also heard it from people I stay in touch with who give what I’d call significant donations.

For example one of my tailgate neighbors works at the Children’s Hospital and was there during PM’s issues, also worked with the family. Big basketball guy. He’s the one who initially told me about Fran and Marge selling their house and (he says) he’s pretty sure Fran is done. I just went online to look and found the publicly available property records out of curiosity. Also told me Marge is living in Indy and has been for a while. Can either of us prove he’s done? Nope. Lots of moving parts. But I trust him…maybe I’m wrong. These same people are saying there’s going to be a major exodus of the roster come the end of the season. I’ve also heard from folks there’s a pretty big rift in the locker room with Freeman because players feel his injury was minor enough to keep playing, but he wants to get a medical to retain eligibility and play somewhere else.

These insiders have insight and access we don’t have, and I can't see a reason someone like that would tell people either in person or online if it wasn’t true.

Like I said though, you have to choose what to believe or not believe. I have no idea what happens until it does.

 

[Zstatman]

Well, if the back to back national champ's coach is saying the majority of his players are going to enter into the portal, and some are already bought and paid for, how do you think a .500 team with a possible lame duck coach is going to fare?

Dan Hurley: '50% or more' of UConn men's basketball roster considering transfer portal

UConn coach Dan Hurley said 50% or more of his roster is considering the transfer portal this offseason during an interview with "60 Minutes":

www.usatoday.com

Speaking of the Hurley's there's brother Bobby at Arizona St.

Bobby has been at ASU ten years now. He's taken 3 teams to the Big Dance and has not won a game there. They just lost in the first round of the Big 12 season to end their season.

ASU needs an arena renovation, but none is planned.

Hurley, supposedly, isn't much of an X and O coach and spends most of his time berating either his players or the refs.

It appears Bobby will be brought back for an 11th year.

 

[InGoodCo]

I keep hearing that players are defecting but see no indication other than message boards. From all appearances, Fran's players love him. He's recruiting well and the main concern seems to be about attendance. While Fran plays a role in that I don't see the University doing a lot to get people to games.

I agree with that, but Fran isn't doing anything either and Iowa needs a cheerleader in that spot to help drum up money, fan excitement and breath life into our program. People are currently voting him out with their pocket books. Fran's relationship with the fans, the Iowa media and media in general, have been a strain. He doesn't go out and shake hands and kiss babies, he doesn't really do anything other than coach. That might work at some places, but it's glaringly not getting it done at Iowa.

Unfortunately, the reality Iowa is facing is, no fan support, NIL near the bottom of an 18 team league and a coach that has not taken us to the NCAA for 2 years in a row. Without a new coach, Iowa has no real way to get out of that, unless, we believe, again, that Fran is going to change after 15 years and start connecting with the fan base and be an ambassador for our program.

Fran's a great coach - I think Iowa and he have been both mutually benefited his time here.... but it's time for him to move on for the sake of the future of Iowa basketball.

Iowa is not in a great spot either... cause those facts I laid down above "no fan support, NIL near the bottom of the conference" doesn't exactly scream we're going to get someone like Devries, IMO, set your sites quite a bit lower.

 

[Gander Hawk]

The Rivals board (Hawkeye Beacon) has a lot of folks who are intimately close to the sports programs at Iowa and more often than not the things they say are true. It would be pretty dumb to post something like that with no truth to it. I’ve also heard it from people I stay in touch with who give what I’d call significant donations.

For example one of my tailgate neighbors works at the Children’s Hospital and was there during PM’s issues, also worked with the family. Big basketball guy. He’s the one who initially told me about Fran and Marge selling their house and (he says) he’s pretty sure Fran is done. I just went online to look and found the publicly available property records out of curiosity. Also told me Marge is living in Indy and has been for a while. Can either of us prove he’s done? Nope. Lots of moving parts. But I trust him…maybe I’m wrong. These same people are saying there’s going to be a major exodus of the roster come the end of the season. I’ve also heard from folks there’s a pretty big rift in the locker room with Freeman because players feel his injury was minor enough to keep playing, but he wants to get a medical to retain eligibility and play somewhere else.

These insiders have insight and access we don’t have, and I can see a reason someone like that would tell people either in person or online if it wasn’t true.

Like I said though, you have to choose what to believe or not believe. I have no idea what happens until it does.

Fry I respect what you post for the most part but your civility is often lacking. I "heard people saying this" isn't exactly proof of anything. Certainly not proof enough to go around attacking people who don't agree with you.

 

[Gander Hawk]

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The Rivals board (Hawkeye Beacon) has a lot of folks who are intimately close to the sports programs at Iowa and more often than not the things they say are true. It would be pretty dumb to post something like that with no truth to it. I’ve also heard it from people I stay in touch with who give what I’d call significant donations.

For example one of my tailgate neighbors works at the Children’s Hospital and was there during PM’s issues, also worked with the family. Big basketball guy. He’s the one who initially told me about Fran and Marge selling their house and (he says) he’s pretty sure Fran is done. I just went online to look and found the publicly available property records out of curiosity. Also told me Marge is living in Indy and has been for a while. Can either of us prove he’s done? Nope. Lots of moving parts. But I trust him…maybe I’m wrong. These same people are saying there’s going to be a major exodus of the roster come the end of the season. I’ve also heard from folks there’s a pretty big rift in the locker room with Freeman because players feel his injury was minor enough to keep playing, but he wants to get a medical to retain eligibility and play somewhere else.

These insiders have insight and access we don’t have, and I can see a reason someone like that would tell people either in person or online if it wasn’t true.

Like I said though, you have to choose what to believe or not believe. I have no idea what happens until it does.

People post things with no truth to them all the time, even the president.

 

[Fryowa]

Fry I respect what you post for the most part but your civility is often lacking. I "heard people saying this" isn't exactly proof of anything. Certainly not proof enough to go around attacking people who don't agree with you.

Lol, I didn't attack anyone.

 

[Fryowa]

People post things with no truth to them all the time, even the president.

1) I tust hearing those things from people who are close to the program. You absolutely have the right to not believe it. It makes zero difference to me.

2) You must have missed the parts in my post where I said the following...

"maybe I’m wrong"

"Can either of us prove he’s done? Nope"

"I have no idea what happens until it does."

Believe it or don't believe it. I said that in my post. I tend to think it's more credible than anything else I've heard, and like I said more often than not those people posting and saying those things are correct.

On the Rivals board the Tim Lester thing got leaked before the news put it out, LaDell Betts leaving got leaked (while keeping it nameless) early, a whole bunch of things. People posting over there were way ahead of the news when the McNamara drama was going on.

Again for clarity, I've not attacked you, and you should believe what you want no matter what I say.

 

[Fryowa]

I agree with that, but Fran isn't doing anything either and Iowa needs a cheerleader in that spot to help drum up money, fan excitement and breath life into our program. People are currently voting him out with their pocket books. Fran's relationship with the fans, the Iowa media and media in general, have been a strain. He doesn't go out and shake hands and kiss babies, he doesn't really do anything other than coach. That might work at some places, but it's glaringly not getting it done at Iowa.

Unfortunately, the reality Iowa is facing is, no fan support, NIL near the bottom of an 18 team league and a coach that has not taken us to the NCAA for 2 years in a row. Without a new coach, Iowa has no real way to get out of that, unless, we believe, again, that Fran is going to change after 15 years and start connecting with the fan base and be an ambassador for our program.

Fran's a great coach - I think Iowa and he have been both mutually benefited his time here.... but it's time for him to move on for the sake of the future of Iowa basketball.

Iowa is not in a great spot either... cause those facts I laid down above "no fan support, NIL near the bottom of the conference" doesn't exactly scream we're going to get someone like Devries, IMO, set your sites quite a bit lower.

Yeah it's not like things being posted and shared online aren't supported by the circumstances. Like if you told me the roster was going to get blown up by the portal after Iowa got 2nd in the BTT, had solid attendance, and made a s16 I'd say you're nuts.

I think posters here doubting the things that people say are happening in the program just have their heads in the sand and don't want to believe it...hence it all must just be made up lies.

 

[Westernhawk]

A 16-15, soon to be 16-16, team should never be praised. What did we actually achieve today beating another mediocre team battling it out for the last team to make the B1G tournament?

There’s talent on this team. There is decent length in the 2-4 positions and regardless of losing whoever was our “center” mid-season we were still a team that never consistently played D.

This coaching staff doesn’t emphasize D, never has and never will. You can go back through every season under Fran and you will not find a single team that excelled at D. Ever.

Dear 12345,

I think they played a great game that is worthy of some praise. They lost their best player this year. The big ten is really tough this year.

We are all disappointed, but there is some talent coming in (and some young talent).

With no respect, and eat some cat shit,

Western

 

[Westernhawk]

I am checked out on this team. Did I watch it? Yes, on delay and after a band practice and ONLY because someone told me we won. I don't think it's fair to call out fans who are disgruntled and checked out on a program that hasn't been competitive enough to make the dance 2 seasons in a row. I am not going to just blindly follow this program. Iowa has a lot of work to do to bring me back to where I am invested in it past turning it on my TV. PS, I also went to 3 games this year, which were all all 3+ hour drives for me. I've invested and donated enough of my time to this program and team and no one is going to make me feel bad for not supporting it enough.

That's fair. It's a pretty big investment to drive 3 plus hours to see Iowa MBB.

 

[Westernhawk]

P

People post things with no truth to them all the time, especially the president.

FIFY.

 

[Fryowa]

Speaking of the Hurley's there's brother Bobby at Arizona St.

Bobby has been at ASU ten years now. He's taken 3 teams to the Big Dance and has not won a game there. They just lost in the first round of the Big 12 season to end their season.

ASU needs an arena renovation, but none is planned.

Hurley, supposedly, isn't much of an X and O coach and spends most of his time berating either his players or the refs.

It appears Bobby will be brought back for an 11th year.

Without looking, I would guess their NIL funds are proportional to their performance and their AD/donors know it. It just doesn't make sense to me to boot coaches unless you address NIL first. At least in March of '25.

Revenue sharing and curbing transfers could stop some of it but we're not in that world right now.

 

[Fryowa]

That's fair. It's a pretty big investment to drive 3 plus hours to see Iowa MBB.

I drove 5.5 hours one way every home game of Brian's OC tenure. That wore me down to the point that I didn't renew tickets last year and won't be this year. Kept my tailgate spot and will pick and choose what I want to go see.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

The Rivals board (Hawkeye Beacon) has a lot of folks who are intimately close to the sports programs at Iowa and more often than not the things they say are true. It would be pretty dumb to post something like that with no truth to it. I’ve also heard it from people I stay in touch with who give what I’d call significant donations.

For example one of my tailgate neighbors works at the Children’s Hospital and was there during PM’s issues, also worked with the family. Big basketball guy. He’s the one who initially told me about Fran and Marge selling their house and (he says) he’s pretty sure Fran is done. I just went online to look and found the publicly available property records out of curiosity. Also told me Marge is living in Indy and has been for a while. Can either of us prove he’s done? Nope. Lots of moving parts. But I trust him…maybe I’m wrong. These same people are saying there’s going to be a major exodus of the roster come the end of the season. I’ve also heard from folks there’s a pretty big rift in the locker room with Freeman because players feel his injury was minor enough to keep playing, but he wants to get a medical to retain eligibility and play somewhere else.

These insiders have insight and access we don’t have, and I can see a reason someone like that would tell people either in person or online if it wasn’t true.

Like I said though, you have to choose what to believe or not believe. I have no idea what happens until it does.

The thing about all those breadcrumbs is they all lead to what feels like logical conclusions. To me it's about what dominos start falling first. Even with Fran being one foot out the door (if internet sleuths have it figured out so has Beth and Iowa) he's not gonna quit at Iowa without being paid what he has coming. Be it a negotiated buyout or he flat out forces her to fire him with all his talk about coming back being lip service. I think he's not coming back.

Do any players leave before that happens or not is the next question. I think we'll hear of Frans leaving first but who knows. Beth might drag it out I just hope not..